Ships & Modules

seriously. 60 views no comments :( i guess that the number of carrier pilots on the forum is minimal

I agree with Zhilia.

If you're in a group so small/new to the game that you're going to be one of the only capital pilots, you are never going to use it (the risk of getting dropped is too high/you won't have enough pilots in fleet to need a triage). I also doubt you need it for moving combat ships around at this age.

isnt that like the reversed thing of what carriers should /can do?
to all that says that im to new for that. its a long term plan. i will first fly it in 1 year. and use that year to train properly for it

He's trolling. That being said, sp is a concern, but you're missing the point. The most important aspect of a carrier is how many friends you have (both in fleet and on batphone), and if you're here asking these questions and unsure why exactly you need which carrier, it doesn't sound like you need one.

Liang why such elitist behavior? Disappointing.

@OP: check this and this. Some info may be outdated but it's a good start I think.

If this is your main and if you are new to the game I'd stay away from expensive ships for the moment. Nothing wrong with risking expensive stuff in EVE but loosing said stuff because of simple newbie mistakes (everyone does/did them) isn't much fun imho. If you are interested in the logistic role (after all carriers are big logistic ships most of the time) you should check the new t1 logistic frigs and cruisers added with the latest expansion.

i do know something. but i was just asking if the forums had more. because most guides are outdated
BTW: the new corp im starting in is mostly made of of never players. so im one of the top 5 guys in age.

Gonna have to agree. There's stuff in there that's rarely discussed and quite helpful. Minimizing your risk in terms of isk lost is actually rather important.

OP from reading your posts. A carrier is not the ship you want or need.

Carriers are basically huge logi ships, in a small fleet they are an expensive luxury item that will draw trouble. My advice to add punch to your fleet is to actually train to fly BS, BC and Strat cruisers well.

But some points...

1. Solo carriers should triage - this removes their fighters fro the game and basically locks the carrier down for 5 minutes meaning in the words of a corpmate "hit triage and you expect to die"

2. Carrier DPS is not that high - A well trained and fit carrier pilot will be sitting in 1.5 - 2 bil worth of ship and equipment which does about the same DPS as the 200 mil tempest that is currently shooting at it.

3. Carriers in space a vulnerable - can't use gates, can't jump if pointed, limited DPS, Big tank, true story moment 3 of us held onto a thanatos at a planet last month just after DT for 30 minutes till enough people logged on to kill it. Unless you can call for help you may well find that happens to you.

4. Carrier killing tactics are simple - people will simply apply neuts and then take you down a neuted carrier is a dead carrier.

If this sounds negative, well it is meant to, a carrier is a ship that needs a lot of support on the grid. Rather than fly a lone carrier yourself, again train to fly smaller stuff well and join you corp to an alliance that has a cap fleet. 1 Carrier will not make your corp elite nor will it make your corp scary or attractive to alliance recruiters.

They are just trying to save you some pain is all. Many of the above listed posters are long time PvP'ers with a lot of experience around caps. The overriding message going out from just about all of them is the simple fact that 9/10 times Carrier without a LOT of support is going to be the #1 priority target on the field. They simply bring too much support to ignore, and look absolutely shiny on a kill mail.

If you have one to three other friends in Caps, it won't help enough (granted, unless maybe you are all running carriers in a Pantheon cap chain, which can be hellish to bring down). You should always have a halfway sizable fleet around that Carrier. You should also KNOW that you are going to lose them here and there. They are just too big of a tempting target for many players that love to wave their KM's as bragging rights.

All of that being said, if you are adamant and looking to stay true to your course, congrats in advance!! My nephew flies carriers often and loves them (too big and unwieldy for my tastes on the norm, I go with smaller support ships). The Archon is considered by and large to be the top carrier out there. There are many threads about the Carrier comparisons you can look up, so I won't go into all the details.

Best of luck,

~Z

I am curious about the intented use for that Carrier.

I mean, this character will be five years in January and I haven't even INJECTED Advanced spaceship command. Not ready.

I always saw Carriers as monster Logis, absolutely dependent on their fleet to survive. They are big, they are clumsy, they are expensive, and they are called primary.

With a 4 months character...man. You will need:

-Very good tanking skills. Compensations to V and all.
-Very good cap skills, meaning not only Engineering ones, but Energy emission systems, etc.
-Fitting skils.
-Drone interfacing V (one month)
-Very good cap transfer skills, and shield transfer/remote armor repping skills.
-Triage > Logistics V + Long Range targetting V + Signature analysis V = close to one month and a half.
-Carrier skill = battleship skill to V, Advanced spaceship command > close to another two months.

Even if you would only wish to SIT on your Carrier, unable to do anything else, you're looking at quite a few months before you can undock it.

And if you want to be USEFUL in any real way...well, let's say you are not playing with Carriers anytime soon.