Intergalactic Summit

I would expect the similarity to UNat policy to be uncomfortable for a Gallente, yes. However the Executor HASN'T actually bombarded Caldari Prime OR Gallentia.

Interesting. The State has never once said that as it's goal it has the destruction of the Federation at heart. It's possible that such a goal has never been within our grasp, is not now within our grasp and will never be within our grasp. We are a sovreign faction now, but we are not the size of the Gallente Federation, we have not the wealth of the Gallente Federation and we do not have the military strength of a fully called up and unified Gallente Federation.

We do not need to.

All the State has ever had as our goal is to be free to pursue our own vision of government. Free to pursue our own rights to self-determination and economic prosperity. James Sygarius disingenuously refers to the assault on 'Luminaire VII' so that he doesn't have to call it Caldari Prime - thus answering his own question regarding the necessity of seizing it.

Why was it necessary for the State to regain control over our birthplace? Why do any of you return home after your labours?

The State is not coming for territory or resources that is yours. We do not seek to enslave your children or seize your treasure. We do not wish to destroy your culture or threaten your way of life. Nothing that you hold dear is under threat - unless you hold dear the sometime Gallente hobby of exporting your culture where it is not wanted.

But Home? Home is ours.

Msr. Tuulinen I think if you read the associated posts to the one you chose to quote you would find I did refer to as Luminaire VII as Caldari Prime several times. The question stands.

Fair enough. All the more reason it's more valuable as a negotiating tool than a strategic military target.

He refrains for strategic reasons, them being that the mere presence of this task force guarantees holding control of the homeworld, the sole reason for this conflict. This fleet is neither engaging targets in Luminaire nor is it blockading gallentean assets. It acts as a deterrant for any military action the federation would try outside of CEWMPA guidelines.
Note that while this a promise of vengeance, and not a bluff that can be called, it does not make it the objective of the Luminaire campaign. If the focus would've been on inflicting the most amount of damage this Titan would've been shelling targets in this solar system right in the beginning, even during the invasion.

The question for the necessity of this invasion? You took our homeworld from us, by force, and never intended to hand it back, not after years of war, not after centuries of so called peace and countless attempts at diplomacy. Every living Caldari can trace his or her ancestors back to this planet and you question the importance of it?
The federation has proven that it is unwilling to negotiate on a peaceful basis and continues to push its influence forward in any means possible, branding everyone who is not submitting to the idea behind the federation as an evildoer. The only means left to us was a show of strength, and even then, the federation was not willing to accept the loss of Caldari Prime and instead chose to go back to war again.

If you're asking for an end to this conflict it is so simple, you shouldn't have to ask in the first place. Make Luminaire a demilitarized zone, complete with a supply corridor, and acknowledge our rightful claim to our home. Then no further blood needs to be shed for your own pride and hubris.

You sound like a warmonger. The good, correct answer might simply be that a lot of what makes that conflict difficult is your unwilligness to compromise.

Imagine that I enter your home, knock you to the ground and place my boot on your throat, pressing down until your vision tunnels and you fight for consciousness.

Clearly the minimum acceptable resolution to this conflict is for me to remove my boot from your throat and retreat from your home. You would be well within your rights to demand further securities and reparations to compensate you for the experience and to deter me from doing so again. Should you recover your strength and set out from your home to track me to mine and wreak vengeance there would be many who would support your actions and many more who would understand and sympathise without agreeing with you - but you are a good and kindly person and seek nothing more than your freedom from my violence and my promise to never do this to you again.

Imagine, instead of this minimum accomodation, you were encouraged to accept my permanent presence in your home and the only dialog was over exactly how much pressure I ought to be able to apply to your throat?

I do not demand sanctions or reparations. I do not demand the return of other territories or the awarding of new ones. I do not suggest that first we must bombard Gallentia to atone for the mistakes of the past. I am willing to set aside the past in totality, start a fresh new peace and move forwards in amity and all I ask in return is that you remove your boot from my throat and leave my home, furnishing me with sufficient guarantees that you will not return unless invited.

Whether the Minmatar can accept the invasion of their homeworld or not is a matter for them, not for me, to decide. I believe there was something of a disagreement between the Empire and their former slaves, resulting in the Minmatar recapturing Pator, their original homeworld as well as other systems.

But that's got nothing to do with OUR situation. The point is that the State does NOT accept our forcible eviction from Home, that we have always publicly maintained the desire to return and that we have, in fact, successfully encompassed that desire in our liberation of Home.

Let's be clear about it. There really is no acceptable resolution to this problem that doesn't involve State control of Home. None at all. If that doesn't go on the table then the fight is not over, no matter what short term solution is forced upon us. You cannot buy your way out of this and unless you're willing to utterly dismantle the State colony by colony, orbital by orbital, fleet by fleet, you cannot force any other resolution.

Anything else is negotiable.

My proposal is not an escalation or purely retaliative. Nowhere have I mentioned retribution for the bombardments on Caldari during the evacuation. There would be no terror, no need for futile sacrifices, no families torn apart. A peaceful, orderly withdrawal. Many Caldari would consider allowing this to be a grave insult to our ancestors who suffered the same, but in the interest of peace I think it would make a fine compromise.

I think that many Caldari would accept the Homeworld as a place for pilgrimage and reverence. Would the Gallente accept silence in their crystal boulevards and eviction to strange new places? I'm more dubious of this.

Further, I doubt any such motion could pass in their Senate.

The proposal is mostly to help us consider the problem of how to find a peaceful solution. I don't foresee the Gallente ever agreeing to the terms.