Player Features and Ideas Discussion

FNA chat is pretty lively, too.

Make it possible to wardec a single player in a npc corporation.

Are you encouraging interaction or just forcing people in NPC corps out of the game? In fact one must wonder if there is a real problem here or is this more likely a non issue. If you were talking about something like 11% refining tax for miners in NPC corps then I could believe it is reasonable argument this is price miners should pay for war immunity, but when you are gong at minimum 50% tax I’m under impression this is more of an display of irrational hatred for people that don’t embrace your preferred play-stile.

There are may people that play this game for many reasons, just because you don’t like their reasons it dos not mean they be forced out of the game or forced to play it your way. Be more tolerant.

Hold on, guys

This thread has nothing to with "nerfing hisec" or "forcing people" or anything like that. Nobody is interested in the evernoob Eve rejects who linger in NPC corps, you can play as you like or leave, neither the community or CCP cares, because you are as disconnected from the persistent universe as possible. Insignificant. Go run your missions now if that is all you want.

But this thread is about new players. The biggest reason why people quit as new players is the NPC starter corp, the worst failure in EVE's core game design. (Second biggest issue are never-ending, repeating missions that don't connect with rest of New Eden in any way, btw)

Why? First impressions. You roll a character, and get thrown into a NPC starter corp with nothing but these rejects and at best alts to give you directions, advice and company. False ideas and prejudices spread like a lethal disease from veteran mission runners to new players, who are like an open canvas to their lies. How could they know that a 7-year old player has no clue about EVE? Don't go to lowsec. Train Drake. Be cap stable. Wear +5s. Train Hulk. Goons are teh ebil. Overheating is a PVP skill. Don't vote for CSM because NULL SEC ZEALOTS... you know the score, and this is how the vicious cycle is born.

The contaminated noobs pass this bs on to the next victims, if they stay- because most leave before they ever get to know the real EVE. They miss out on all the strong social aspects of player organisations, 99% of the gameplay and excitement, the things that have made EVE a 10-year success. NPC corps (barring one notable exception, see below) miss the elements that are in the heart of EVE, being in them is not fun when all you do is run missions or mine all day, and new players may think:

"Is this all there is, what a dull game, EVE's a lie"

The CAS Anomaly

The dreadful situation of most NPC corps is highlighted by one exception, Center for Advanced Studies. They actually do stuff together on a lever resembling player corps, from roams to holding towers, written guides and actually realistic view on New Eden. How is this possible? It all comes down to individuals.

Solution: ISD Tutors in all NPC corps

Scripted tutorials can never teach players about a game of this complexity. Currently the tutorials push people mostly towards missioning and exploration, but what if we had Real Humans tutoring new players? Arranging PVE and PVP fleets? Holding EVE Uni-style lectures? Moderating corp chat? Being responsible for creating the best possible New Player Experience.

I've sometimes played with the idea of taking NPC corp nubs for rides around lowsec and wormholes, but my trade alts don't have the skillset for that. If CCP would somehow provide us with tools to help the situation, I believe many players would be willing to contribute. Currently just all the good players leave NPC corps, can't come back and those starter corps are left to rot in their misery.

Finally, someone who gets it. I played Eve for quite a while with two RL friends. When the NPC corp tax was upped to 11%, we made our own 3-man corp. That meant we each interacted with only two people instead of hundreds like before.

Great job.

It wasn't directed at you, but at the stereotypical person who has spent 5+ years running the same half dozen missions every day.

You have to understand how different CAS is. In most starter corps there is no co-operation whatsover. In many there is not even any chat. Just blank loneliness broken by weak scam attempts or trolls. They are terrible places to end up in.

Why don't you prepare for the wardec? Ally with others? Defend yourself?

You see, those are the things that make EVE. It would be unfair to be wardecced if you couldn't defend youself... but you can. People who take calculated risks and fight for what they desire are the ones who "win EVE".

This is a different kind of game.

Aren't you able to organize a corp solely on industrial might then?

Plenty of people have. I know guys who aren't fighters, they don't want to or even can't. What they have is friends who will. Or ISK to pay for other to fight for them. The new wardec system provides an automatic mechanic for wardecced corps to get allies, you just open your war for allies and there will be a dozen of so combat organisations hunting for the baddies.

What about this guy then http://www.eveonline.com/sandbox/pirate/

"My prey of choice is other capsuleers, as they often provide the greatest rewards"

CCP advertises this as a career. Where does it say that he can't do that then? This is what the sandbox is all about.

I like planetary interaction a lot, I can extract resources on 20 planets, and my main industrial alt has elite certificates in PI. I also appreciate that I can fight over the ownership of planetary customs offices.

Well there is absolutely nothing wrong with CAS, players there get a lot out of the game, and I don't doubt many leave on to player corps to get rid of the NPC corp drawback, but better equipped in terms of knowledge and experience than players from other NPC corps.

Sadly, this is not the case for the majority of new players, who end up in dreadful starter corps. And this is the thing I'd like CCP to change. Starter corps won't turn into CASes without CCP intervention. CAS is a result of a culture, that was started by some great pilots long time ago, use it as a model and help the others.

I don't support NPC corp nerfs or punishments (living in hisec is a punishment in itself :P ), but revamping them to be lead by CCP (or by CCP-supported semivolunteers) for better new player experience.

That "important detail" is not one. There's no point on putting whatever bounty on a freighter pilot you're going to gank, point blank. Unless you find a bunch of idiots willing to gank an empty freighter, it's worthless.
You go there you gank the guy, loot the goodies with the alt or whatever and profit. It's exactly the same point for NPC freighter pilots as it is for player run corporations: no point on put a bounty but rather buy ships to gank it.

What I'm trying to say for a while is that this bounty stuff is probably fluffy and funky in some situations, when it comes to juicy stuff the "NPC" argument is moot, not relevant, not even an argument. Now if you want to turn bounty in to kill rights that's another story, and even then the possible interest is not worth the effort.

Im a 10 year vet, I would happily volunteer to lead (or direct or even help direct) one of these corps. And lead in the RP style for what it is to it's faction as well. (I love to RP anyway).

Whether this corp be FW, Industry, or mission or security (pvp), whatever.


Sounds like a great opertunity to help people and keep them interested in eve.

Imagin an NPC corp which had real OPS, and MISSIONs, and Goals, all pertaining to their highsec area of Operation.

It would be perfect for newer players and vets a like. especially with the wardec Immunnity, players could train and operate in relative peace, Knowing that the people leading the corp were "Real" and had their best interests in mind and where there specifically to help them learn and have fun.