Crime & Punishment

When do we get to raid The Rabbit?

It's no use. There is no way to reasonable talk with these people.

People like that ignoramus will *never* stop. *Never*. It's all about *them*. If the game goes down the drain
by the very ideas he has, he would just simply leave and kill another game.

The only way to deal with them is to hunt them and kill them. All of them.

My expriance with the so called new order last night

Four months in to eve and still enjoying it apart from a few things like the sheer expense of every thing in game and the lack of financial reward from missions exploration and mining compared to the costs of good ships and good moduals .I am slowly working though all the different ways to play the game and decided to invest in a blueprint research in and build some stuff as well as exploration and running missions.Unless you want to grind for endless hours you have no option but to buy plex and well as you 10 euro a month sub at least for the fist year.

I Invested 30 mil in a retriever and 7 mil on insurance and another 10 mil on fitting it out to mine some ice now that's almost 40 mil there.It takes many hours of game play for a new player to get 40 mil.I found a ice Field last night in brapelille 07 and started to mine some blue ice.Seemed to take for ages to fill up the ore hold and to my surprise about 1 hour on mining blueice only yielded me 4 million isk .So that would work out at 10 hours of mining blue ice just to cover the cost of what i spent on the equipment and ship.

Understand that as the weeks , months, years pass and i improve my skills and equipment that the yield will increase.But at the moment as a new player this is were i am.So i am sitting mining the ice and i notice some odd behaviour and ships coming in and out of the sector and some one talking about having to pay 100 million for a licence to mine ice in the area .I Align my ship to the gate and got ready to jump and sure enough 1 min later 8 catalysts warp in on a suicide mission i warp out and manage to get away.

I changed ship and returned to the sector to see what happened and i noticed that the player who was mining ice next to me did not make it out and lost his ship and he was Not AFK are a Bot.Now unless he was using a alt this player was also a new player like my self according to his profile.So i read the local chatter and it turns out the new order is trying to run a extortion racket on the mine field.Plain to see that they were all alts used by experienced eve players to suicide miners under the guise of a supposed cause.

My guess is they all have great incomes from there other alts are some goo ISK rolling in with little effort.And it would be fine if they had to live with the consequence of their actions but they don't, sure all the alts will disappear in a short while and new ones will appear and repeat.Now if i lost my 40 mil investment while grinding for just 4 mil a hour in a ice field in 07 space I would start to think the cards are all stacked against new players and its pointless.At least use your main alt and stop hideing behind two months old alts if your all for the cause.

Its just experienced bored players, with lots of spare ISK preying upon new players for laughs and giggles and in the end i am sure all it will do is turn new players away from the game.I would be happy with this if these people stayed with these characters and used them as their main but they dont .Just seems a lame war to fight to me, plenty battles out there they could get involved in with people who can fight back.

Not saying all high sec should be safe have no problem with losing a ship in high sec and if ccp want to make it more of a challenge throw in some harder AI at high sec mining sites i just think experienced players with ISK to burn who suicide new players who grinds for hours and days weeks to make a start in the game is bad for the game.The use of alts just make it all pointless and why on earth would any station let wanted players dock in it anyway.If ccp want to stop people AFK mining are bots they should introduce a new mineing system

Maybe us new players should get some cheap ships and go and pod the one day old accounts coming out of a station unless they pay us 10 mil sure CCP would like that . Its the same principle as what New order is trying to do and its a game breaker.

You'd be much better off in a Procuror, not far off the income from a retriever with the hitpoints of a battlecruiser, an awful lot harder to gank. Alternatively pay them the 10 million isk and be left alone, the choice is yours.

Extortion, cartels, piracy, ponzi schemes & murder are all acceptable forms of gameplay in Eve, as are mining, mission running, incursions, faction warfare etc. At some point they all interact with each other, you saw one of those interactions.

Harsh as it may seem, when you hit undock, you set a PvP flag consensual or otherwise. Eve is primarily driven by destruction, sometimes that destruction falls upon hisec. Live with it, learn from it, profit from it.

Edit : rocks>ice in terms of income, Devoid has many quiet systems with belts.

Let's get together and play Internet Spaceships together sometime. You be the Space Bad guy stealing my space minerals and I'll be the Space Good guy trying to bring you to justice. If we kersplode your Internet Spaceship, we win! If through a combination of observation, tactics, and fitting we don't de-pixelate your ship, WE ALL WIN!

Have yall considered, you know, mining scordite instead of ice? Or if you must mine ice, orbit the thing you are lasering?

Let address what appears to be a common misconception. There is a difference between a 'temporary alt', and a 'young alt'. The ganking alts are not created to be temporary alts, because recycling them, in an attempt to avoid penalties associated with low security status, is against the EULA. They are young alts, but not temporary alts.

damn if only ccp was somehow able to detect alt recycling and give out warnings

by the way the facts that knights of the new order are dedicated alts and continue operating at -10 should tip you off that they're not recycling

You can remove one of the three characters in your account and make a new one in it's place, thereby zeroing out to a 'new' character. I give props to those that actually are more than a month old. But the majority of them decided that it wasn't a cause worth using their mains on. Because the game mechanics would 'punish' them for it.



I already do. I run my ships with quite a large amount of tanking now that the griefing has started.



You do what you do beause the majority of people don't like what you're doing? That is one definition of a harasser. I mine in hi-sec so I don't have to deal with people using cowardly or petty tactics to interrupt my game. That's what Hi-sec is suppose to be about - no matter what the lag time of CONCORD is.

Oh, and I should note that even those that pay the 10m 'permit fee' still wind up being blown up.

Yes. Alt recycling, which is detectable and forbidden. Yes, using dedicated ganking alts, which is legal and commonplace.


That's not the definition of harassment in EVE. And please don't try to tell others what their highsec is supposed to be, unless you plan to enforce it.

Code-compliant miners do not get shot. Paying the ten million is only part of the journey to code-compliance and a more fulfilling mining experience.