Ships & Modules

Hi, returning player. Before I quit ( about 1.5 years ago) I bought a Golem and was working on gearing it up. I no longer remember what the hell I was doing. Been reading the forums a little and seen that Torps got buffed with GMP applying to them now. Is this correct? Also, it seems to me not many people fly the Golem now, or am I wrong? Anyway I have great missle skills and marauders at 5.

Looking at my ship, I have 4 T2 launchers in the high. My mids are empty, but I have a bunch of T2 hardeners in the hangar. Have a Shield Booster too also. Lows I do have 4 CN BCS.

If there are any Golem Pilots out there I could use some fitting advice. Im not by any means rich, but i have about 175m isk to spend on mods.


Also, need rig advice.

http://eveboard.com/pilot/Mankar_Camron

Just what the person above said, golem is the worst out of marauders. go for vargur since its a shieldtanker so less skills to train.
guns>missiles

Don't think Coffeus meant that the Golem isn't a shield tanker, just that the Vargur has more skill overlap with the Golem than the other marauders.

Pre-Retribution Golem is meh.

Post-Retribution, between the torp buff and the buffer to the Golem's TP bonus, it's a bit more bearable to fly, in that you only need 3 TPs to effectively TP juggle. But the Golem is still inferior to the Vargur/Mach.

When tracking modules affect missile explosion radius and missile range, then the Golem might be worth it. Even then, the Golem would still suffer DPS loss from wasted overkill, constant reloading/ammo swapping, high skill requirements, and the 10 second cycle on TPs.


As for rigs, as previously mentioned, 2x of the hydraulic bay thrusters, preferably tech 2. The Golem flies like a barn so you're better off speeding up your missiles. Plus, two missile speed rigs keep the flight time less than that of the TPs which helps with the TP juggling a little bit. The increased speed also helps reduce the DPS loss from bad volley counting, (e.g. having a salvo in flight after the target just died to the previous salvo.)


On a positive note, the Golem is great for blitzing Damsel in Distress.

[Golem, mission]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Pith C-Type Kinetic Deflection Field
Target Painter II
Pith C-Type Thermic Dissipation Field
Pith B-Type Large Shield Booster
100MN Afterburner II
Target Painter II
Shield Boost Amplifier II

Torpedo Launcher II, Inferno Torpedo
Torpedo Launcher II, Inferno Torpedo
Torpedo Launcher II, Inferno Torpedo
Torpedo Launcher II, Inferno Torpedo
Small Tractor Beam II
Small Tractor Beam II
Salvager II

Large Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I
Large Rocket Fuel Cache Partition I


Hammerhead II x5


This is a basic fit (with light drones, don't know why they didn't paste). Pimp what you want.

here's the thing about the golem, and why it's not ... really... appropriate to compare it to ships that are not marauders:

it's for the player who wants to loot and salvage without hopping into a noctis. understandably, and in fairness, a machariel will kill things faster.

when you have ships that are specialized for a task, they're going to be better at a job than one ship trying to handle multiple roles.

separate a golem into its parts: a salvager and a battleship, and you have a noctis and full-dps battleship.

separate it even further, and you have a dps battleship, a logistics ship(in my case, a basilisk), and a noctis. (a dps battleship that is neither responsible for its own reps NOR cap.)

so just keep that in mind. the golem is not trying to be better than a T3, or a machariel.. possibly a vargur? but I would probably still pick the golem due to tracking disruption, certainly keep it, because it's the only missile marauder.

it's meant for the solo pilot who wants to kill, loot, and salvage effectively with one battleship. it saves ammo, too. hell, put cruises on it (which I've done), and turn it into a super raven.

//for fitting, maybe run 3 ballistic controls and 1 power diag, since the golem has gobs of dps already, and a power diag does quite a few nice things for the ship. either or.

MWD is a bad idea on an active tank fit (not sure if you were referring to using MWD with or without the basi?) due to the cap penalty. I'd wager it's not even close to viable without at least a B-type MWD. Additionally, there are VERY few missions where that kind of speed is necessary.

As for using flare or rigor catalysts, the best this gets you is dropping one TP. It's really not worth it. You might be able to go one flare catalyst/one missile velocity rig with maxed skills (for the TP bonuses) an mwd fit, and t2 range rigs, but I'm really not convinced it's worth it.

EDIT: I also have no idea where you find the PG for mwd+injector+xl booster.

You better be wrong about that...

5 TPs + 2 slot tank does work on quite a few missions, at least in Angel space. Fortunately, with Retribution, you don't really need to do that anymore.

Also, this guy: http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/42705-Golem-Angel-Screams.html

The Five TPs fit is (was) primarily to help with TP juggling. If you have to wait on TPs to finish cycling before you can fire at a new target, then you're losing DPS. For example, you would slap three on a cruiser and once the killing volley is in flight, you would slap the remaining two TPs on a BC so you could fire immediately. (Volley counting is implied.) And with that many TPs, you had some wiggle room when the target was in falloff range of the TPs.

If TP cycle times were cut from ten seconds to five seconds, then it wouldn't really be an issue. Plus post retribution, a Golem shouldn't need more than 1 TP for battleships and 2 TPs for most cruisers.


Finally, as per the "Angel Screams" write up, five TPs lets you kill frigates faster than your drones can.


As for the absence of Hydraulic Bay Thrusters, yeah, that's pretty stupid. But the person who suggested it also multi-boxes with three ships (Mach, Golem and Basilisk,) so the "no Bay Thrusters" comment can be ignored since it's used in an odd scenario. (Why that person isn't instead using three gun DPS ships to clear missions is a question for another day.)