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Collective front launched against the New Order, James315 and miner bumping.

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Phoenix Bibbs
Fweddit
Free Range Chikuns
#301 - 2012-12-28 19:50:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Phoenix Bibbs
Luanda Heartbreaker wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Mira Robinson wrote:
I especially love the opening entry of Jame's MinerBumping blog, how he actually believes miners beat their children when they get popped.


Going by their standard reactions, that is a likely outcome. You would not believe how frequently I receive threats of real life physical violence & murder after blowing up someones computer game spaceship.


ur daddy was a miner, wasnt? u are really so boring and brainless, u perfectly fit the general picture of goon



This is the kind of anger that we as representatives of the New Order and the great James 315 aim to remove from New Eden. I am still trying to figure out why there is so much anger and violence amongst the bot-aspirant miners of New Eden. I do not witness this same kind of anger from those who support and join the New Order. Maybe something is missing from their lives.

Fear not!! The New Order is here to provide guidance and love to all miners who seek it. Join us brothers and sisters; come into the light and feel the warm loving embrace that is the Code!!

ALL HAIL JAMES 315, ALL HAIL THE NEW ORDER, ALL HAIL MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS WITHIN THE ORDER!!

EDIT: Oh yeah, I added myself and all of my alt's to the OP's list via their website. You are quite welcome.
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#302 - 2012-12-28 19:58:40 UTC
Phoenix Bibbs wrote:


Fear not!! The New Order is here to provide guidance and love to all miners who seek it. Join us brothers and sisters; come into the light and feel the warm loving embrace that is the Code!!

See, this here? This is the thing I don't get. Yeah, OK, you've found a way to prey on your chosen meat. Congratulations, well-done, and all that. But why chose *that* as your meal? There are higher stakes, and tastier dishes to be had.

Sure, burgers are easy and can be tasty, but steak is better. Steak and lobster..? better still. You gotta work harder for it, and it costs more, but it's well worth it. To me, at least.

Anyway, if you're only interested in turning those rock-grazing cows into burger, and that's enough for you... Well, have at it and with my blessings.

Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.

Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc
Luanda Heartbreaker
#303 - 2012-12-28 20:05:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Luanda Heartbreaker
Phoenix Bibbs wrote:
Luanda Heartbreaker wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Mira Robinson wrote:
I especially love the opening entry of Jame's MinerBumping blog, how he actually believes miners beat their children when they get popped.


Going by their standard reactions, that is a likely outcome. You would not believe how frequently I receive threats of real life physical violence & murder after blowing up someones computer game spaceship.


ur daddy was a miner, wasnt? u are really so boring and brainless, u perfectly fit the general picture of goon



This is the kind of anger that we as representatives of the New Order and the great James 315 aim to remove from New Eden. I am still trying to figure out why there is so much anger and violence amongst the bot-aspirant miners of New Eden. I do not witness this same kind of anger from those who support and join the New Order. Maybe something is missing from their lives.

Fear not!! The New Order is here to provide guidance and love to all miners who seek it. Join us brothers and sisters; come into the light and feel the warm loving embrace that is the Code!!

ALL HAIL JAMES 315, ALL HAIL THE NEW ORDER, ALL HAIL MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS WITHIN THE ORDER!!

EDIT: Oh yeah, I added myself and all of my alt's to the OP's list via their website. You are quite welcome.


u have missed something... i dont mine and since 2008 i mined about 5 times. thats just boring. actually im killing goon and test in 0.0. actually, due to their lack of intelligence its going to be boring as well, but being always suspicious that we get blobbed trough the cyno opened by the next frig always give some adrenalin rush. otherwise u just missed ur life and it seems u are unable to realise that 90% of the eve community watch u with sorrow. poor boys should have been harassed by an aggressive daddy and now they wanna see other, actually peaceful ppl's, tears. i would say, get a life instead
Phoenix Bibbs
Fweddit
Free Range Chikuns
#304 - 2012-12-28 20:06:49 UTC
silens vesica wrote:
Phoenix Bibbs wrote:


Fear not!! The New Order is here to provide guidance and love to all miners who seek it. Join us brothers and sisters; come into the light and feel the warm loving embrace that is the Code!!

See, this here? This is the thing I don't get. Yeah, OK, you've found a way to prey on your chosen meat. Congratulations, well-done, and all that. But why chose *that* as your meal? There are higher stakes, and tastier dishes to be had.

Sure, burgers are easy and can be tasty, but steak is better. Steak and lobster..? better still. You gotta work harder for it, and it costs more, but it's well worth it. To me, at least.

Anyway, if you're only interested in turning those rock-grazing cows into burger, and that's enough for you... Well, have at it and with my blessings.


We do it because it must be done and no one else is willing to accept the job and do it correctly. As Capsuleers with conscience we could no longer stand by and watch the miners suffer as they did. The bots and bot-aspirants do nothing but hurt those who actually play the game as it was intended to be played. When we cut in on the bots/aspirants profit margin we are often confronted with nasty hurtful things said in local yet we persevere because our cause is righteous.

We choose to do these things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win, and the others, too. Cool
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#305 - 2012-12-28 20:08:59 UTC
Ah. The role-play response.

Very well, if it so pleases you, by all means - Carry on.

Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.

Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc
Phoenix Bibbs
Fweddit
Free Range Chikuns
#306 - 2012-12-28 20:10:47 UTC
Luanda Heartbreaker wrote:
u have missed something..


The only thing I've missed is what being hot dropped has to do with the lost miners of high-sec.

P.S. Most of us have alts in 0.0 as well. Much like this one. Blink
Lylinde Starborn
Doomheim
#307 - 2012-12-28 20:23:29 UTC
Annoying as they are there is plenty you can do against them.

If they have ganked your barge they generate a kill right. Either use it or sell it. They will not always be in there gank ships, you may even get lucky and catch them in a juicy hauler. Use locater agents to find where they hang out when not bumping...maybe locate their mission hub, find out what he flies and go gank it. Let them know why and they may reconsider being part of James315's order. It would only take 3 or 4 people to get organised and as long as they prepared to lose a few gank ships they could cause significant aggrevation to many of James315's supporters. How inconvenienced would a bumper be if you blew up his 500m mission fit ship just because he bumped or ganked your 30m retriever?

James is doing absolutely nothing wrong, he and his associates have as much right to bump and to gank you as you have to mine. OK, he is taking advantage of a loophole in the system, bumping is not realistically implemeted in eve but he is not violating any rules. He is also roleplaying his character well and his blog is an interesting read. I am sure if someone actually organised a proper defense against him he would welcome the challenge and not resort to the name calling most of the miners have resorted too. My miner has been bumped by these guys, fortunately not ganked and I just moved to another system and not seen them since. They are not exactly hard to avoid, they advertise where they are and where they are going so just pay attention.

If you dont have the skills to fly combat ships (which to me is a bit silly) then hire mercenaries but instruct them only to target high value ships.

Quit being lazy and do something about it...at the very least stop whining on the forums as not only does that encourage them it fills GD with tons of waste of time topics.
Spine Ripper
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#308 - 2012-12-28 21:02:55 UTC
Lylinde Starborn wrote:
Annoying as they are there is plenty you can do against them.

If they have ganked your barge they generate a kill right. Either use it or sell it. They will not always be in there gank ships, you may even get lucky and catch them in a juicy hauler. Use locater agents to find where they hang out when not bumping...maybe locate their mission hub, find out what he flies and go gank it. Let them know why and they may reconsider being part of James315's order. I.


Although your comments weren't hostile to the New Order this point of yours actually won't work in regards to kill rights. Knights of the New Order are famously below -5 in security status and finding one fly a hauler somewhere would be a post worthy event. With the vultures sitting outside station whenever we are active we only come out to kill. You will only ever see Knights in a Catalyst. Shooting a ship that is doomed to be killed by CONCORD within the next few seconds doesn't count as doing something.

Agents are, of course, invincible. Since they don't generate kill rights you would have to make a hopeless gank attempt against their Stabber Fleet Issues. When you fail, local will ring with the celebrations of another New Order victory. So, the attempts are few and the successes are none.



All Highsec miners must follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct or be subject to bumping or ganking.  No permit, no mining. www.minerbumping.com
Lylinde Starborn
Doomheim
#309 - 2012-12-28 21:15:16 UTC
Spine Ripper wrote:
Lylinde Starborn wrote:
Annoying as they are there is plenty you can do against them.

If they have ganked your barge they generate a kill right. Either use it or sell it. They will not always be in there gank ships, you may even get lucky and catch them in a juicy hauler. Use locater agents to find where they hang out when not bumping...maybe locate their mission hub, find out what he flies and go gank it. Let them know why and they may reconsider being part of James315's order. I.


Although your comments weren't hostile to the New Order this point of yours actually won't work in regards to kill rights. Knights of the New Order are famously below -5 in security status and finding one fly a hauler somewhere would be a post worthy event. With the vultures sitting outside station whenever we are active we only come out to kill. You will only ever see Knights in a Catalyst. Shooting a ship that is doomed to be killed by CONCORD within the next few seconds doesn't count as doing something.

Agents are, of course, invincible. Since they don't generate kill rights you would have to make a hopeless gank attempt against their Stabber Fleet Issues. When you fail, local will ring with the celebrations of another New Order victory. So, the attempts are few and the successes are none.




Good point but there may be a member who does not gank but just bumps. Either way there is plenty they can do to either protect themselves or annoy some members of your order. Nothing is invincible if your prepared to lose the isk and do some work...but thats the problem, they don't want to work.
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#310 - 2012-12-28 21:32:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Khergit Deserters
C'mon Goons, get back to doing some public asshattery! Don't leave the "let's cheese everybody off, har har" sector in the hands of these New Order ham-and-eggers. It's like the difference between watching a Hollywood movie and watching a junior high drama club play.
CCP Phantom
C C P
C C P Alliance
#311 - 2012-12-28 21:36:30 UTC
Moved from EVE General Discussion.

CCP Phantom - Senior Community Developer
Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#312 - 2012-12-28 21:54:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Kainotomiu Ronuken
I think 'Crime & Punishment' is stretching it a bit. It's not like we're committing a crime, and it's not like this Tolero Guard is going to punish us. Honestly, 'General Discussion' would be a better descriptor for this thread. So is CCP just trying to hide New Order discussion again, or is there an actual good reason for moving the thread?
Celly Smunt
Neutin Local LLC
#313 - 2012-12-28 22:01:33 UTC
To the OP,
While I certainly can understand your frustration and I fully support your right to speak your mind and to agree or disagree with what those guys do, I see nothing that they are doing that's against the EULA or against the mechanics of the game.

In fact unless some conclusive proof of singular harassment were to be offered to CCP, it's likely that they would tell you the same thing.

The game is what it is, you either retaliate, concede, or move on and you can't do either in the forums.

Good Luck to you.

Don't mistake fact for arrogance, supposition for fact, or disagreement for dismissal. Perception is unique in that it can be shared or singular. Run with the pack if you wish, but think for yourself. A sandwich can be a great motivator.
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#314 - 2012-12-28 22:02:33 UTC
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:
So is CCP just trying to hide New Order discussion again, or is there an actual good reason for moving the thread?

Probably tired of 'miner whining.'
Blink

Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.

Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#315 - 2012-12-28 22:13:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Khergit Deserters
CCP Phantom wrote:
Moved from EVE General Discussion.

Ah crap. Now we're in that room with the people who can't spell or use punctuation.
Scrofulous Vermin
Corsair Cartel
#316 - 2012-12-28 22:23:07 UTC
Khergit Deserters wrote:
CCP Phantom wrote:
Moved from EVE General Discussion.

Ah crap. Now we're in that room with the people who can't spell or use punctuation.

My thesaurus! It does nothing!
Shocked
Bing Bangboom
DAMAG Safety Commission
#317 - 2012-12-28 22:39:15 UTC
This thread is like the New Order. You never know where it will strike next!

BBB

Highsec is worth fighting for.

By choosing to mine in New Order systems, highsec miners have agreed to follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct.  www.minerbumping.com
John E Normus
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#318 - 2012-12-28 22:42:05 UTC
If your overview is set the way mine is I will have blinky red skull next to my name in local 100% of the time. You should also notice at least 3 others blinking in local just like me. If you monitor local chat in a system I'm in you will be warned, by me, that I'm getting ready to distribute caldari navy anti-matter s to non-compliant miners. I also encourage non-compliants that this would be a great time to buy a permit.

Guess how much this means to an afk miner or bot? Guess how many miners have left system or have bought permits at this time?

When James 315 put out the "Call to Bump" we encouraged miners to do all the things that prevent us from getting easy bumps. You know, play the game. Most didn't care to listen to us. We get outraged pilots from all over EvE who come and cat-call us and encourage miners to do things that would confound our tactics. Again, most didn't care to listen. These pilots usually slink out of system once they see how rediculous these afk miners are.

Now that the "Call to Gank" has gone out we still get miners who show up with no tank and don't even ask why there are only 2 or 3 other miners in a popular ice belt. I suppose the sight of so many Catalyst wrecks in the belt doesn't even register to them. God forbid they check their star map and notice that Godzilla is actively wrecking that system. Whatever the case may be, we have never lacked for targets.

This is CCPs protected class? This is who provides all the stuff that PeeVeePeers need. The EvEconomy would fall apart without them?

I say let it all burn! This is an incredible game and it deserves a better class of miner







Between Ignorance and Wisdom
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#319 - 2012-12-28 22:42:49 UTC
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:
I think 'Crime & Punishment' is stretching it a bit. It's not like we're committing a crime, and it's not like this Tolero Guard is going to punish us. Honestly, 'General Discussion' would be a better descriptor for this thread. So is CCP just trying to hide New Order discussion again, or is there an actual good reason for moving the thread?

I think they usually shut down our Bumper vs. Miner threads because:
a) There are two or more running concurrently. And each one has the exact same content.
or
b) People make personal attacks.
or
c) They collapse into a messy sludge of pointless OT posts.
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#320 - 2012-12-28 23:04:36 UTC
Khergit Deserters wrote:
c) They collapse into a messy sludge of pointless OT posts.


So pretty much every post that ever complained about the New Order? Lol

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff