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Collective front launched against the New Order, James315 and miner bumping.

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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#281 - 2012-12-28 18:36:31 UTC
Sara XIII wrote:
Some of you forum superstars need to get out to a system we're operating in. The ignorance in this thread is incredible. Come see for yourself and let's try for an informed discussion for once.

Miners welcome! Oops


I tried once after reading the minerbumbing site. I mined a full retriever without reciveing a single message or seeing a single bumper. I was dissapointed. I expected drama...
Mira Robinson
#282 - 2012-12-28 18:42:38 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Mira Robinson wrote:


Just another group of griefers mad that others in highsec won't play the way they want them to play.


Let us turn that on it's head because that statement plays out both ways.

"Just another group of carebears mad that others in highsec won't play the way they want them to play."

The difference being carebears and miners do not actively or negatively impact the playstyle of gankers and griefers, who are only looking for tears most of the time.

Earlier today, the Dixon Mining Guild and the Butz Manufacturing Corporation formed a coalition.

It's hard to tell if there is a light at the end of the tunnel for the Dixon-Butz Alliance.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#283 - 2012-12-28 18:45:45 UTC
Mira Robinson wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Mira Robinson wrote:


Just another group of griefers mad that others in highsec won't play the way they want them to play.


Let us turn that on it's head because that statement plays out both ways.

"Just another group of carebears mad that others in highsec won't play the way they want them to play."

The difference being carebears and miners do not actively or negatively impact the playstyle of gankers and griefers, who are only looking for tears most of the time.


The actual difference is that one group plays the game and the other does not for the most part.
Mira Robinson
#284 - 2012-12-28 18:46:50 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Mira Robinson wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Mira Robinson wrote:


Just another group of griefers mad that others in highsec won't play the way they want them to play.


Let us turn that on it's head because that statement plays out both ways.

"Just another group of carebears mad that others in highsec won't play the way they want them to play."

The difference being carebears and miners do not actively or negatively impact the playstyle of gankers and griefers, who are only looking for tears most of the time.


The actual difference is that one group plays the game and the other does not for the most part.

'Playing is a matter of viewpoint. To many, combat is just as dull as mining in this game.

Earlier today, the Dixon Mining Guild and the Butz Manufacturing Corporation formed a coalition.

It's hard to tell if there is a light at the end of the tunnel for the Dixon-Butz Alliance.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#285 - 2012-12-28 18:47:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Mira Robinson wrote:

The difference being carebears and miners do not actively or negatively impact the playstyle of gankers and griefers, who are only looking for tears most of the time.


Really? So the barge buff, which primarily came about because of miners whining, didn't negatively impact the playstyle of "gankers"?

To clarify, I mine to produce modules and ships, not once have I been ganked during events such as hulkageddon, even before the barge buff. why? because I actually fit a tank and make myself a less desirable target. I'm actually at my keyboard when I mine, I accept that people are free to interfere in my mining, in fact I welcome the interference, it makes life interesting. I support what James is doing, I chat with the New Order folks in their chat room while I mine, I occasionally indulge in the removal of competing miners along with the New Order. While it's not elite PvP, it's certainly bloody good fun, and I game for fun.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Mira Robinson
#286 - 2012-12-28 18:49:31 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Mira Robinson wrote:

The difference being carebears and miners do not actively or negatively impact the playstyle of gankers and griefers, who are only looking for tears most of the time.


Really? So the barge buff, which primarily came about because of miners whining, didn't negatively impact the playstyle of "gankers"?

Nope. They should go to low or null where they belong to find targets actually willing to fight back.

I swear, I would be laughing so hard at the drama on these boards if CONCORD was buffed to make ganking in highsec so much harder.

Earlier today, the Dixon Mining Guild and the Butz Manufacturing Corporation formed a coalition.

It's hard to tell if there is a light at the end of the tunnel for the Dixon-Butz Alliance.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#287 - 2012-12-28 18:55:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Mira Robinson wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Mira Robinson wrote:

The difference being carebears and miners do not actively or negatively impact the playstyle of gankers and griefers, who are only looking for tears most of the time.


Really? So the barge buff, which primarily came about because of miners whining, didn't negatively impact the playstyle of "gankers"?

Nope. They should go to low or null where they belong to find targets actually willing to fight back.

I swear, I would be laughing so hard at the drama on these boards if CONCORD was buffed to make ganking in highsec so much harder.


Hisec is not safe, it's safer, Concord are not there to prevent, they are there to punish, if you want to play in complete safety there's this thing called a test server, PvP is consensual there.

If Concord was buffed some more, the gankers would still be there ganking people in highsec because they'll adapt to the new mechanics, that's the difference between the 2 types of people that play Eve, one adapts to suit the game mechanics, the other wants the game mechanics adapted to suit them. Which group are you in? I know which one I'm in.

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Mira Robinson
#288 - 2012-12-28 18:57:04 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Mira Robinson wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Mira Robinson wrote:

The difference being carebears and miners do not actively or negatively impact the playstyle of gankers and griefers, who are only looking for tears most of the time.


Really? So the barge buff, which primarily came about because of miners whining, didn't negatively impact the playstyle of "gankers"?

Nope. They should go to low or null where they belong to find targets actually willing to fight back.

I swear, I would be laughing so hard at the drama on these boards if CONCORD was buffed to make ganking in highsec so much harder.


Hisec is not safe, it's safer, Concord are not there to prevent, they are there to punish, if you want to play in complete safety there's this thing called a test server, PvP is consensual there.

Safer for now.

I like to think of the barge/exhumer buff as a great first step.

Earlier today, the Dixon Mining Guild and the Butz Manufacturing Corporation formed a coalition.

It's hard to tell if there is a light at the end of the tunnel for the Dixon-Butz Alliance.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#289 - 2012-12-28 19:04:10 UTC
Mira Robinson wrote:

Safer for now.

I like to think of the barge/exhumer buff as a great first step.


Backwards

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Jimmy Gunsmythe
Sebiestor Tribe
#290 - 2012-12-28 19:04:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Jimmy Gunsmythe
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Jimmy Gunsmythe wrote:
I applaud your efforts, if only to ensure that poseurs do not gain a foothold in the game. James and his ilk are just that, poseurs, too gripped by fear to pull the trigger for what they believe in. While I do not hold his sycophants in contemptuous position, he himself is a false leader who puffs out his chest and meekly roars to the galaxy of his prowess and how he believes he is doing a service to the community. James, a moment... This isn't WoW, mmmkay? Either turn off your safeties and engage those you feel dilute the game with hot rounds and burning lasers, or be quiet. Bumping is a tactic of the weak and the indecisive. This is Eve, either gank or go home. I respect and even applaud those who have the courage and intestinal fortitude to accept the consequences of actions that they believe in, but I can never give one ounce of recognition to those who are choked by their own fear.
Are you in some kind of bizarro EVE? From what I see it is James and the Agents who are the only ones who actually ARE doing things and "pulling the trigger" for what they believe in. I've seen countless ganks from their side. I've yet to see any "resistance" actually do the same. The New Order are out there day after day doing things, while the miners do nothing except talk crap on the EVE-O forums


Yes, I am in some bizarro Eve. It's an Eve where bumping miners somehows garners the same amount of accolades as ganking them. At one time, such things would have resulted in derision from actual gankers and a ban from CCP for griefing. At some point, complacency set in and this is the new Eve that we've been left with. And James is some sort of messiah, a David Koresh-like figure that many seem to be following into this dull future.

I'll buy into this "New Order" when it's leader is -10. Until then, it's just another fad, like Hanson

John Hancock
Mira Robinson
#291 - 2012-12-28 19:05:49 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Mira Robinson wrote:

Safer for now.

I like to think of the barge/exhumer buff as a great first step.


Backwards

Again, based on point of view.

Earlier today, the Dixon Mining Guild and the Butz Manufacturing Corporation formed a coalition.

It's hard to tell if there is a light at the end of the tunnel for the Dixon-Butz Alliance.
Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#292 - 2012-12-28 19:06:01 UTC
Mira Robinson wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Mira Robinson wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Mira Robinson wrote:

The difference being carebears and miners do not actively or negatively impact the playstyle of gankers and griefers, who are only looking for tears most of the time.


Really? So the barge buff, which primarily came about because of miners whining, didn't negatively impact the playstyle of "gankers"?

Nope. They should go to low or null where they belong to find targets actually willing to fight back.

I swear, I would be laughing so hard at the drama on these boards if CONCORD was buffed to make ganking in highsec so much harder.


Hisec is not safe, it's safer, Concord are not there to prevent, they are there to punish, if you want to play in complete safety there's this thing called a test server, PvP is consensual there.

Safer for now.

I like to think of the barge/exhumer buff as a great first step.

Towards what? A completely safe highsec? A game that completely opposes every single one of the ideas CCPhad when they first made it? A WoW clone?

Doesn't sound too great to me.
Sidrat Flush
KarmaFleet
#293 - 2012-12-28 19:10:23 UTC
I enjoy the blog, love the emergent game play and stories that drive headlines and increase awareness to wrong new people to the game we all love to play.

So do we all have the same set of tools and mechanics at our disposal? Yes. A Gillette miner is no different to a Minmattar gank alt just different skills trained. Can any character cross train skills. Yup.

If you accuse people you perceive as gankers or griefers as ruining your play style and forcing you to adapt remember this is a sandbox and not a theme park game use the same set of tools as is available to everyone and enjoy the game your way.

Or pay the token amount of isk, put the sign on the bio and try to actively engage in the gameplay and not just your alarm call to tell you to press another button every thirty minutes or so.

If CCP wants to halt Afk activities then a new mining mechanic must be introduced and I look forward to that day as much as the next update on minerbumping. I.e. a great deal indeed.

Its time to stand up against the bad empire based CEO telling falsehoods about what new characters can accomplish and pushing them towards an in game experience of drudgery and loneliness keeping them in the shadow of ignorance for at nest their own profit at worse apathy towards all the experiences that Eve has to offer.
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#294 - 2012-12-28 19:17:37 UTC
Bumpers need some good sizeable bounties put on them. They're just cruising around high sec thinking CONCORD will always protect them.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#295 - 2012-12-28 19:30:22 UTC
@ Mira Robinson, you're either genuinely quite new or a troll alt, when I first started playing Eve I loved the PvE aspect and hated that people could blow me up at will, but I stuck with it because spaceships appealed more than elves and orcs.

I've been playing for close on 4 years now and with every year that passes I see more and more that the gameplay that I initially hated is in fact the gameplay that makes Eve as good as it is. I'm attempting to try pretty much everything in this game, I do PvE, I do PvP, I've lived in losec(albeit only for a month or 2), lived in wormholes, lived in hisec, the only place I haven't been is nullsec, although that will come when I decide to do the tourist thing and see places like the Eve Gate, the black monolith etc. No doubt I will explode a lot in the future, as I have in the past, and it's all part of the game.

Destruction drives the market, miners and producers supply the market, no gankers in hisec? kiss goodbye to the current market demand for certain ships and modules, for example exhumer sales and demand will drop because they won't be exploding so won't need replacing, and destroyer sales and demand will drop because the gankers won't be suiciding them on the exhumers and won't need to replace them.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Luanda Heartbreaker
#296 - 2012-12-28 19:32:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Luanda Heartbreaker
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Mira Robinson wrote:
I especially love the opening entry of Jame's MinerBumping blog, how he actually believes miners beat their children when they get popped.


Going by their standard reactions, that is a likely outcome. You would not believe how frequently I receive threats of real life physical violence & murder after blowing up someones computer game spaceship.


ur daddy was a miner, wasnt? u are really so boring and brainless, u perfectly fit the general picture of goon
No More Heroes
Boomer Humor
Snuffed Out
#297 - 2012-12-28 19:41:29 UTC
So how is the assault going? Can we get a battlereport?

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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#298 - 2012-12-28 19:46:08 UTC
I am of the giggles over people crying 'Cowardice!'

Does anyone call lions 'cowards' when they cull the weak and sick? Is the falcon a coward when it knocks the dove from the sky and feasts upon it's still-warm flesh? Is, perhaps, the leopard seal a coward when it strips the penguin's skin from it's carcass in a lethal flip?

Preditors prey on the weak. That is the bad fact, and don't be fooling yourself: James 315 and crew are preditors. They feast upon those who cannot abide being interrupted in their mining efforts They will attack repeatedly so long as they find prey willing to feed them - That is, pay the fee and/or not fight back with improved technique.

The only way to starve James of his food is to frustrate him. But he is a small enough menace that no organized effort to frustrate him willlast long. Thus, balance is maintained - Just as it is with IRL wild preditors.




TL;DR:
James 315 is a preditor. He and his crew will continue to predate so long as they get fed.


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Mark Munoz
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#299 - 2012-12-28 19:49:58 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:
Can someone explain to me again why making full use of the game's mechanics to protect yourself is cowardly?

Edit: I've just had a revelation. The reason miners refuse to orbit/stay ATK/fit tanks/position themselves properly/use appropriate ships/mine somewhere else/blow us up/hire mercenaries to blow us up is because it would be cowardly!

This explains so much!

To use the games mechanics you can not undock so you never get blown up would you call that cowardly?
People who specifically go after those people who cannot fight back are cowards

It is kind of the definition of a coward, some on who is too scared they might get blown up by someone who can shoot back before they can get them.

Dropping a super carrier on a battle cruiser = Coward
Attacking defenseless ships = Coward

You can frame it how ever you like but going after the weak and helpless is cowardly. There really is no other way to describe it.

Call yourself a brave defender of some such crap it doesn't matter

A coward is a coward.


Cowardly as it may be it gets results. I assume you are also of the belief that war should take place on a large battlefield with soldiers all lined up and just dying because its honorable?

War tactics have evolved and using the word coward against special ops crews is well, as outdated as your vision of how war should take place.
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#300 - 2012-12-28 19:50:18 UTC
By the way: don't take the above as claiming he's a *dangerous* preditor - As threats go, his is the mildest form of threat possible: "Pay me, or I shall annoy you a second time!"

Makes you wonder, just a bit, about the people who *are* willing to pay him, doesn't it..?

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