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In defence of AFK mining

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Chandaris
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#121 - 2012-12-28 17:50:59 UTC
My war isn't against AFK miners, it's against miners' who haven't heard of a 'damage control unit II'
Kestrix
The Whispering
#122 - 2012-12-28 17:51:06 UTC
Bing Bangboom wrote:
AFK mining is the entry drug to Botting.

The New Halaima Code of Conduct, found at www.minerbumping.com, clearly explains why AFK mining is bad and therefore, forbidden by The Code. The miner who would afk is looking for maximum gain with minimum player interaction. From an economic point of view this makes sense. If for some reason, CCP began to allow botting many of these afk miners would immediately begin automating their processes, thereby becoming bots. They are therefore, bot-aspirants and subject to New Order discipline.

The ice mining, AFK miner who unloads into a nearby Orca has to hit one button and drag ONCE every thirty minutes. This is so close to botting as to be indistinguishable. And yet we have this thread where some miners actually argue that this is a good and necessary part of the Eve community.

Well, its not.

It is unhealthy for the miners who do not AFK as they are competing against bot-aspirant mining machines. It is unhealthy for the interaction of real players that makes an MMO different from a single player game. It is unhealthy for the petitioning system as the entitled, selfish-minded AFK miners beseige CCP with complaints about the New Order. And finally, it is unhealthy for the AFK miner himself as he loses touch with his humanity and decends into the hell that is Highsec Ice mining.

Despite the clear gain to everyone in Eve that ending AFK mining would bring, James 315 and the New Order are not asking CCP to ban afk anything. We are taking on the task of educating the mining community and the rest of our Eve friends on how to abandon their vices and move into a better way of life. We WANT miners to prosper. To this effect, we offer The Code and its path to enlightenment and truth.

In the finest tradition of Eve Online, we, the players, are taking on this challenge ourselves. We ask CCP to do nothing but stand aside as we deliver The New Halaima Code of Conduct to each and every one of the mining community.

You are welcome.

Highsec is worth fighting for.

Bing Bangboom
Agent of the New Order of Highsec
Belligerent Undesirable


Eh what? Mining requires minimum player interaction regardless of my physical location in regards to the computer. I can sit and stare at the screen for 30 mins watching the pretty blue lasers and the drones zooming around my ship or I can go and do the hoovering or washing up or whatever and nip back every 30 mins to empty the ship and set it off again... ether that or replace it if some **** has taken exception to it's presence in the ice field/belt. I would also like to point out that even if bots were legal I would not use them.
masternerdguy
Doomheim
#123 - 2012-12-28 17:53:39 UTC
Kestrix wrote:

Eh what? Mining requires minimum player interaction regardless of my physical location in regards to the computer. I can sit and stare at the screen for 30 mins watching the pretty blue lasers and the drones zooming around my ship or I can go and do the hoovering or washing up or whatever and nip back every 30 mins to empty the ship and set it off again... ether that or replace it if some **** has taken exception to it's presence in the ice field/belt. I would also like to point out that even if bots were legal I would not use them.


Try mining using a Hulk / Covetor as a team, you'll be pretty busy.

Things are only impossible until they are not.
Rebel Witch
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#124 - 2012-12-28 17:57:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Rebel Witch
I will laugh if CCP makes policy that forces an end to AFK mining but does nothing to AFK Cloaking. Both are doing something in the game while not playing. Kill one you kill the other i think.

Read my eyes!
Dave stark
#125 - 2012-12-28 17:58:06 UTC
Chandaris wrote:
My war isn't against AFK miners, it's against miners' who haven't heard of a 'damage control unit II'


we've all heard of it. except it's more isk/hour to replace a retriever than fit a damage control instead of an additional mlu.
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#126 - 2012-12-28 17:59:17 UTC
Rebel Witch wrote:
I will laugh if CCP makes policy that forces an end to AFK mining but does nothing to AFK Cloaking. Both are doing something in the game while not playing. Nerf one you nerf the other i think.

Read my eyes!


Both about as likely as forcing you to repost trade market sales every 3 minutes.

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masternerdguy
Doomheim
#127 - 2012-12-28 18:00:22 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
Chandaris wrote:
My war isn't against AFK miners, it's against miners' who haven't heard of a 'damage control unit II'


we've all heard of it. except it's more isk/hour to replace a retriever than fit a damage control instead of an additional mlu.


So once again it comes back to the holy isk/hr with you lot.

Things are only impossible until they are not.
Mark Munoz
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#128 - 2012-12-28 18:00:35 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Zol Interbottom wrote:
I think we can see that AFK mining is the wrong way to play the game, it was never intended by the devs as one of the sandbox activities and should be removed poste haste, preferably by banning the perpetrators

If anything, I'd say they were encouraging it by making AFKing easier and safer.

AFK mining is the basis of our whole industrial capability, we must never nerf it.


I would argue that they are making easier targets as "bonuses" for those that actually play the game.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#129 - 2012-12-28 18:01:59 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Grimpak wrote:
Lexmana wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Well I see people spending vastly more time complaining on the forums than playing the game.

Didn't you hear? Forums is the game.

at the very least part of it, yeah.

Lets not forget that the op mack came from such forum games.


No, it came from your corp dealing 4 trillions of damage and making ices price rise from 400 to 1600 in 4 months.

Now, I was actually an happy bunny when you did that and I also made a lot of ISK on your work and I am willing to gift some ISK to Helicity in case she does another Hulkageddon.

But even then, you can't apply fakelore, you have to accept that EvE is a game of ~consequences~.

Responsibility for own actions is the number one value that your alliance seems to just repel away, it's not a mature behavior.

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Kestrix
The Whispering
#130 - 2012-12-28 18:04:33 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
Kestrix wrote:

Eh what? Mining requires minimum player interaction regardless of my physical location in regards to the computer. I can sit and stare at the screen for 30 mins watching the pretty blue lasers and the drones zooming around my ship or I can go and do the hoovering or washing up or whatever and nip back every 30 mins to empty the ship and set it off again... ether that or replace it if some **** has taken exception to it's presence in the ice field/belt. I would also like to point out that even if bots were legal I would not use them.


Try mining using a Hulk / Covetor as a team, you'll be pretty busy.


The whole point of mining AFK is because normally I would not be playing at all, eg I have something better to do. On these occasions I'll log on one or two accounts and set them off in a belt and go do other stuff, it does not matter if I don't mine a lot or plane forget about them altogether. What ever I get is a bonus. When I'm at the computer with time on my hands then yes as you put it I am pretty busy.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#131 - 2012-12-28 18:04:43 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Chandaris wrote:
My war isn't against AFK miners, it's against miners' who haven't heard of a 'damage control unit II'

we've all heard of it. except it's more isk/hour to replace a retriever than fit a damage control instead of an additional mlu.

So once again it comes back to the holy isk/hr with you lot.

Then do it. And then when you eventually get blown up, whine to CCP anyway since you might get buffed.

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masternerdguy
Doomheim
#132 - 2012-12-28 18:06:18 UTC
Kestrix wrote:
masternerdguy wrote:
Kestrix wrote:

Eh what? Mining requires minimum player interaction regardless of my physical location in regards to the computer. I can sit and stare at the screen for 30 mins watching the pretty blue lasers and the drones zooming around my ship or I can go and do the hoovering or washing up or whatever and nip back every 30 mins to empty the ship and set it off again... ether that or replace it if some **** has taken exception to it's presence in the ice field/belt. I would also like to point out that even if bots were legal I would not use them.


Try mining using a Hulk / Covetor as a team, you'll be pretty busy.


The whole point of mining AFK is because normally I would not be playing at all, eg I have something better to do. On these occasions I'll log on one or two accounts and set them off in a belt and go do other stuff, it does not matter if I don't mine a lot or plane forget about them altogether. What ever I get is a bonus. When I'm at the computer with time on my hands then yes as you put it I am pretty busy.


The real problem is your OCD min-maxing behavior. If you don't want to play, don't play. If you want to play, play. So simple.

Things are only impossible until they are not.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#133 - 2012-12-28 18:06:23 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
masternerdguy wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Chandaris wrote:
My war isn't against AFK miners, it's against miners' who haven't heard of a 'damage control unit II'

we've all heard of it. except it's more isk/hour to replace a retriever than fit a damage control instead of an additional mlu.

So once again it comes back to the holy isk/hr with you lot.

Then do it. And then when you eventually get blown up, whine to CCP anyway since you might get buffed.


I want MOAR low slots with of course the required CPU/powergrid to fit an additionnal MLU II.

Thank you CCP.
Dave stark
#134 - 2012-12-28 18:10:10 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Chandaris wrote:
My war isn't against AFK miners, it's against miners' who haven't heard of a 'damage control unit II'


we've all heard of it. except it's more isk/hour to replace a retriever than fit a damage control instead of an additional mlu.


So once again it comes back to the holy isk/hr with you lot.


mining is a money making activity, of course it's about isk/hour.
same with mission runners
same with traders
same with any one doing anything to make isk.

you say it like miners shouldn't worry about isk/hour and instead worry about the planets aligning?
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#135 - 2012-12-28 18:15:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Arduemont wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:

That may be so, but if they're not present in the game when they're getting bumped/blown up, than they have nothing to complain about. I'm not saying they shouldn't do it, but they bring their own misfortune on themselves if that's how they want to play the game. Because the bumpers and gankers are playing the way they want to, as well.

Maybe, just maybe, people are anti-afk because it's easier to kill an afk freighter on autopilot than someone that's paying attention. And last I checked, a kill is a kill, especially if that freighter is carrying a tonne of goodies.


Gankers and bumpers are free to do what they like, when they like. As are AFKers. Im not against that happening in the same way I am not against people mining afk. So long as it makes them happy that's fine, both groups accept the consequences of their actions.

As to your last little paragraph there, why would a ganker be against freighters going afk? lol. They love it.

I am not saying gankers shouldn't gank and bumpers shouldn't bump. You obviously didn't read either of my posts properly. The first one even said I was fine with that, quite plainly. What I am against, is seeing people justify doing it, because "AFK play is an abomination!", because saying that is just idiocy. If they want to do it, just say they do it because they enjoy it. Don't make ridiculous excuses.

Edit: Your "logic", by the way, is terrible.

If your bumping and ganking purely because you think being afk is somehow a crime, then you are in the wrong profession. Because the reason your doing what your doing is bogus. Do something productve instead of taking up some false cause. If you enjoy ganking, carry on, but if your doing it through some false sense of obligation, then... well, get a brain.


My logic is fine, your failure to understand it does not make my logic terrible. Please try arguing valid points instead of just insulting your opponents. Also, "your" and "you're" are not interchangeable. If you want to seem intelligent enough to even approach the same grasp of logic as me, at least spell properly. Telling me I need a brain, but failing to understand the correct use of apostrophes... seriously, the need to put a picture of you in the dictionary next to the words "ironic" and "moron". If you have a point to make, then make it without lashing out at people and telling them they are stupid, because no one responds well to that, and if you aren't the sharpest tool in the shed yourself, then you are doing yourself more of a disservice than anyone else.

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Mistah Ewedynao
Ice Axe Psycho Killers
#136 - 2012-12-28 18:17:31 UTC
LOL on AFK mining.

When I mine I barely can make a sandwich, get some thing to drink or have a smoke/bio break.

Try 2 TANKED Hulks (another almost trained) and an Orca booster/Hauler. If you are AFK'ing in a belt I am working you will come back to empty space.

Serious high sec mining is NOT an AFK activity.

This is just more disinformation from the null power block. If you think they are botting report them or gank them. I do both :D

Nerf Goons

Nuke em from orbit....it's the only way to be sure.
Dave stark
#137 - 2012-12-28 18:18:48 UTC
Mistah Ewedynao wrote:
LOL on AFK mining.

When I mine I barely can make a sandwich, get some thing to drink or have a smoke/bio break.

Try 2 TANKED Hulks (another almost trained) and an Orca booster/Hauler. If you are AFK'ing in a belt I am working you will come back to empty space.

Serious high sec mining is NOT an AFK activity.

This is just more disinformation from the null power block. If you think they are botting report them or gank them. I do both :D


really? i can quite easily sit and watch tv while working with 2 orca boosted accounts.
perhaps you should work on your multi tasking.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#138 - 2012-12-28 18:19:13 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
masternerdguy wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Chandaris wrote:
My war isn't against AFK miners, it's against miners' who haven't heard of a 'damage control unit II'


we've all heard of it. except it's more isk/hour to replace a retriever than fit a damage control instead of an additional mlu.


So once again it comes back to the holy isk/hr with you lot.


mining is a money making activity, of course it's about isk/hour.
same with mission runners
same with traders
same with any one doing anything to make isk.

you say it like miners shouldn't worry about isk/hour and instead worry about the planets aligning?


Didn't you know that if you sell trit (only work with trit) when all moons in Jita are aligned with the Perimeter gate, you get 3 times the ISKs?
Chandaris
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#139 - 2012-12-28 18:20:12 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
Chandaris wrote:
My war isn't against AFK miners, it's against miners' who haven't heard of a 'damage control unit II'


we've all heard of it. except it's more isk/hour to replace a retriever than fit a damage control instead of an additional mlu.


Lol.. who ganks retrievers?

http://shadowcartel.com/kb/?a=cc_detail&ctr_id=4
Dave stark
#140 - 2012-12-28 18:20:21 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
masternerdguy wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Chandaris wrote:
My war isn't against AFK miners, it's against miners' who haven't heard of a 'damage control unit II'


we've all heard of it. except it's more isk/hour to replace a retriever than fit a damage control instead of an additional mlu.


So once again it comes back to the holy isk/hr with you lot.


mining is a money making activity, of course it's about isk/hour.
same with mission runners
same with traders
same with any one doing anything to make isk.

you say it like miners shouldn't worry about isk/hour and instead worry about the planets aligning?


Didn't you know that if you sell trit (only work with trit) when all moons in Jita are aligned with the Perimeter gate, you get 3 times the ISKs?


good to know, especially since trit has fallen the last few days.

when do these moons align?