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In defence of AFK mining

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Dave stark
#101 - 2012-12-28 13:52:41 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Please explain to me, logically, how you can enjoy a thing you aren't actually doing.

because you're making isk while doing something you are doing.
nobody really enjoys the tedious grind to obtain ingame currency in any game, so getting that currency while doing something else is a win win situation.


Explain to me, logically, why you should be able to earn ISK in this game, or currency in any other game, while not playing the game, in any reasonable amount, and why you think that you should be able to do this without any risk to your income generation in a PvP game.


who said it should be without risk?

you people really need to stop trying to argue a point that hasn't been made.
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#102 - 2012-12-28 13:56:50 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Please explain to me, logically, how you can enjoy a thing you aren't actually doing.

because you're making isk while doing something you are doing.
nobody really enjoys the tedious grind to obtain ingame currency in any game, so getting that currency while doing something else is a win win situation.


Explain to me, logically, why you should be able to earn ISK in this game, or currency in any other game, while not playing the game, in any reasonable amount, and why you think that you should be able to do this without any risk to your income generation in a PvP game.


who said it should be without risk?

you people really need to stop trying to argue a point that hasn't been made.


It has been made, over and over and over. It is the entire point of the anti-bumping threads.

If you are not at your keyboard, not watching the screen, you are at risk of being bumped out of your place at the asteroid belt, or getting ganked.
Dave stark
#103 - 2012-12-28 13:58:51 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Please explain to me, logically, how you can enjoy a thing you aren't actually doing.

because you're making isk while doing something you are doing.
nobody really enjoys the tedious grind to obtain ingame currency in any game, so getting that currency while doing something else is a win win situation.


Explain to me, logically, why you should be able to earn ISK in this game, or currency in any other game, while not playing the game, in any reasonable amount, and why you think that you should be able to do this without any risk to your income generation in a PvP game.


who said it should be without risk?

you people really need to stop trying to argue a point that hasn't been made.


It has been made, over and over and over. It is the entire point of the anti-bumping threads.

If you are not at your keyboard, not watching the screen, you are at risk of being bumped out of your place at the asteroid belt, or getting ganked.


and that's a risk i gladly accept when i mine, day in, day out.
because it happens that infrequently these threads are completely pointless.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#104 - 2012-12-28 14:00:13 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Arduemont wrote:
I've never really understood the anti-afk brigade, for reasons detailed in the OP. Don't get me wrong, they are entitled to do what they like in the game, ie, suicide gank, bump, etc, but I can't help but look down on them for their lack of logic.


So where, exactly, is the logic in not-playing a game? What is it, exactly, that AFK players are achieving, while active players are actually putting time and effort into their achievements?

How do you feel about undergrads that get away with partying for a whole semester, and somehow end up with higher grades than the ones you had to slave away for, or at least pass their classes way too easily? If their courses are so easy, why can't they contribute to society by getting a job and paying their darn taxes?

AFK = getting rewarded for doing nothing. There's no logic in that at all.


There's no logic in not-playing a game exactly like there is no logic going to an elite restaurant and eating just a loaf of bread like there's no logic going to the cinema and then go phone for 2 hours outside while the movie plays.

But that's the luxury you get when paying for something: you have to justify to nobody, it's your money and you trash it however you want. EvE is a sub based game, people do what they want unless you do something about it.

If you don't like the guy AFK mining then you do something about it.

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Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#105 - 2012-12-28 14:03:09 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:


There's no logic in not-playing a game exactly like there is no logic going to an elite restaurant and eating just a loaf of bread like there's no logic going to the cinema and then go phone for 2 hours outside while the movie plays.

But that's the luxury you get when paying for something: you have to justify to nobody, it's your money and you trash it however you want. EvE is a sub based game, people do what they want unless you do something about it.

If you don't like the guy AFK mining then you do something about it.


They are.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#106 - 2012-12-28 14:11:05 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:


There's no logic in not-playing a game exactly like there is no logic going to an elite restaurant and eating just a loaf of bread like there's no logic going to the cinema and then go phone for 2 hours outside while the movie plays.

But that's the luxury you get when paying for something: you have to justify to nobody, it's your money and you trash it however you want. EvE is a sub based game, people do what they want unless you do something about it.

If you don't like the guy AFK mining then you do something about it.


They are.


Well I see people spending vastly more time complaining on the forums than playing the game.

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Dave stark
#107 - 2012-12-28 14:13:43 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:


There's no logic in not-playing a game exactly like there is no logic going to an elite restaurant and eating just a loaf of bread like there's no logic going to the cinema and then go phone for 2 hours outside while the movie plays.

But that's the luxury you get when paying for something: you have to justify to nobody, it's your money and you trash it however you want. EvE is a sub based game, people do what they want unless you do something about it.

If you don't like the guy AFK mining then you do something about it.


They are.


Well I see people spending vastly more time complaining on the forums than playing the game.


that's the beauty of afk mining, you can be doing both at the same time!
Lexmana
#108 - 2012-12-28 14:14:44 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Well I see people spending vastly more time complaining on the forums than playing the game.

Didn't you hear? Forums is the game.
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#109 - 2012-12-28 14:33:33 UTC
Lexmana wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Well I see people spending vastly more time complaining on the forums than playing the game.

Didn't you hear? Forums is the game.

at the very least part of it, yeah.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#110 - 2012-12-28 15:11:42 UTC
Grimpak wrote:
Lexmana wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Well I see people spending vastly more time complaining on the forums than playing the game.

Didn't you hear? Forums is the game.

at the very least part of it, yeah.

Lets not forget that the op mack came from such forum games.
Dave stark
#111 - 2012-12-28 15:45:13 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Grimpak wrote:
Lexmana wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Well I see people spending vastly more time complaining on the forums than playing the game.

Didn't you hear? Forums is the game.

at the very least part of it, yeah.

Lets not forget that the op mack came from such forum games.

but it's diversity!
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
#112 - 2012-12-28 15:52:18 UTC
CCP Eterne wrote:
Posting the same word copied over and over again is nonconstructive spam. Please do not do it.


Then you need to address the way the spin doctors here misquote people. it's divisive and used to troll people.

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Dave stark
#113 - 2012-12-28 15:54:20 UTC
Ioci wrote:
CCP Eterne wrote:
Posting the same word copied over and over again is nonconstructive spam. Please do not do it.


Then you need to address the way the spin doctors here misquote people. it's divisive and used to troll people.


ccp defines trolling differently to the rest of us.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#114 - 2012-12-28 15:56:16 UTC
Ioci wrote:
CCP Eterne wrote:
Posting the same word copied over and over again is nonconstructive spam. Please do not do it.


you divisive troll


Ioci, that wasn't very nice :(

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Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#115 - 2012-12-28 15:57:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Arduemont
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Please explain to me, logically, how you can enjoy a thing you aren't actually doing.

because you're making isk while doing something you are doing.
nobody really enjoys the tedious grind to obtain ingame currency in any game, so getting that currency while doing something else is a win win situation.


Explain to me, logically, why you should be able to earn ISK in this game, or currency in any other game, while not playing the game, in any reasonable amount, and why you think that you should be able to do this without any risk to your income generation in a PvP game.


Why not? There are many many aspects of Eve that allow you to do it. If you don't like the way the game is made, find another game. Trading, manufacturing, PI, mining, BPO and BPC researching, hauling, and many many more can all be done AFK.

The burden of proof is on you people. It is, as it is. People enjoy being able to do it this way. If you want it to change you need to provide a reason it shouldn't be as it is, which no one in this thread has managed yet. As for the "How do you enjoy a game when your not playing it" rubbish, they are playing it. It just happens that they only have to tab back to the game every 5 mins. Trader, manufacturers, PI, researchers and other only have to log in for 20 minutes and then can check the rewards of their effort the next day.

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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#116 - 2012-12-28 16:06:06 UTC
SaKoil wrote:
Arduemont wrote:
:words:


There are a few main problems with bot-aspirant playstyle. One of the biggest ones in my opinion is the constant and loud moaning and whining to make their job easier and safer. We have already seen numerous buffs to concord and mining ship EHP and cargo hold sizes.

Before these people get total immunity in highsec, they will never stop whining. We cannot let this happen. We should not let these people change Eve into something it is not.

This is why people dislike the afk-miners. They are a destructive force for the well-being of the game if left unchecked.


Yes why enjoy a "bot-aspirant playstyle" whatever that means, when you can be a full blow bot instead.

So much botter rage in this thread because they see their playstyle and money making scheme going extinct.

... and if you think people will do boring repetitive things "for fun", or that mining and industry can ever be made "fun" you probably should think about it a bit longer.

~ Professional Forum Alt  ~
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#117 - 2012-12-28 16:41:12 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Grimpak wrote:
Lexmana wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Well I see people spending vastly more time complaining on the forums than playing the game.

Didn't you hear? Forums is the game.

at the very least part of it, yeah.

Lets not forget that the op mack came from such forum games.

but it's diversity!

**** yeah diversity. it can be as awesome as multiracial sex.

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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#118 - 2012-12-28 16:45:56 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Grimpak wrote:
Lexmana wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Well I see people spending vastly more time complaining on the forums than playing the game.

Didn't you hear? Forums is the game.

at the very least part of it, yeah.

Lets not forget that the op mack came from such forum games.


We can't win them all...
masternerdguy
Doomheim
#119 - 2012-12-28 16:52:04 UTC
Amelia Torez wrote:


A university student – who enjoys making a passive income mining asteroids semi-afk while completing their studies.

.


Hai, university student here.

When I'm studying the last thing I am going to do is add a potential distraction to my studying by leaving EVE running. I doubt I'm alone here.

Also, if you are seriously short on time to play, go to nullsec or lo sec and blitz exploration sites or rat. Much more isk than you'll make AFK mining and it only takes an hour.

Things are only impossible until they are not.
Bing Bangboom
DAMAG Safety Commission
#120 - 2012-12-28 17:29:34 UTC
AFK mining is the entry drug to Botting.

The New Halaima Code of Conduct, found at www.minerbumping.com, clearly explains why AFK mining is bad and therefore, forbidden by The Code. The miner who would afk is looking for maximum gain with minimum player interaction. From an economic point of view this makes sense. If for some reason, CCP began to allow botting many of these afk miners would immediately begin automating their processes, thereby becoming bots. They are therefore, bot-aspirants and subject to New Order discipline.

The ice mining, AFK miner who unloads into a nearby Orca has to hit one button and drag ONCE every thirty minutes. This is so close to botting as to be indistinguishable. And yet we have this thread where some miners actually argue that this is a good and necessary part of the Eve community.

Well, its not.

It is unhealthy for the miners who do not AFK as they are competing against bot-aspirant mining machines. It is unhealthy for the interaction of real players that makes an MMO different from a single player game. It is unhealthy for the petitioning system as the entitled, selfish-minded AFK miners beseige CCP with complaints about the New Order. And finally, it is unhealthy for the AFK miner himself as he loses touch with his humanity and decends into the hell that is Highsec Ice mining.

Despite the clear gain to everyone in Eve that ending AFK mining would bring, James 315 and the New Order are not asking CCP to ban afk anything. We are taking on the task of educating the mining community and the rest of our Eve friends on how to abandon their vices and move into a better way of life. We WANT miners to prosper. To this effect, we offer The Code and its path to enlightenment and truth.

In the finest tradition of Eve Online, we, the players, are taking on this challenge ourselves. We ask CCP to do nothing but stand aside as we deliver The New Halaima Code of Conduct to each and every one of the mining community.

You are welcome.

Highsec is worth fighting for.

Bing Bangboom
Agent of the New Order of Highsec
Belligerent Undesirable

Highsec is worth fighting for.

By choosing to mine in New Order systems, highsec miners have agreed to follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct.  www.minerbumping.com