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Remaps, the ongoing subject...
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DEFIER ORILIS
Defiance Eden Initiative
#1 - 2012-12-28 13:50:28 UTC
Remaps should be an item in the market like anything else you can make, sell or buy.
EVE is not about limitation, it is about expansion. We should be able to buy as many as needed.
I see no problem controlling your implants anytime you want to learn with another attribute.
After all it is your body, you should control it.

Why are we limited to just one a year?

Thx, DEFIER.
Slumpert
Hookers and Quafe
#2 - 2012-12-28 13:59:58 UTC
It is not your body it is CCPs and they can control just how badly you mangle it at will.

Course I have 3 bonus remaps because I stick to a training plan.
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#3 - 2012-12-28 14:01:08 UTC
From a roleplay/lore perspective, the reason that attributes and remaps are limited based on time is because constantly mucking around your head and changing fairly fundamental aspects of who you are is dangerous and can have strange effects, necessitating a certain amount of "realigning" between remaps to make sure that all the pieces of your fractured psyche have settled back into place.

Stick in something to reflect this and I will be all for it.
Ayumi Nevinyrall
E-Baba
#4 - 2012-12-28 14:03:56 UTC
Posting in a obvious "EVE should be pay to win" thread...

You MUST be a goon or goon spi...

...
Frying Doom
#5 - 2012-12-28 14:07:43 UTC
I always thought the "Why can't I just buy SP" threads were funnierLol

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Ahvram
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-12-28 14:10:01 UTC
Sounds like a good idea. You could maybe make it a limited use item with a cool down. Instead of remapping anytime it would have its own timer with a 3 month cool down. With the standerd remap and the items it would allow 5 remaps a year if planned correctly.

CCP asked about what items we would like to see in the Concord LP store and I think this would be a good one.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#7 - 2012-12-28 14:13:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
DEFIER ORILIS wrote:
Why are we limited to just one a year?
Because you need to learn to plan better and live with your choices.

Oh, and we're actually limited to less than that, thankfully, and we should definitely not have the ability to buy more for the same reason as always: paying ISK to ignore game mechanics is an inherently horrid idea and you might as well ask that the mechanic be removed altogether if you're going to do that.
DEFIER ORILIS
Defiance Eden Initiative
#8 - 2012-12-28 14:15:38 UTC
Ayumi Nevinyrall wrote:
Posting in a obvious "EVE should be pay to win" thread...

You MUST be a goon or goon spi...


I am no dang spy. I just want my cookie, I have been good this year.

Actually, I think remaps should be free and part of a skill training system. How about a skill that free?
Dave Stark
#9 - 2012-12-28 14:15:56 UTC
remaps for plex!
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#10 - 2012-12-28 14:16:33 UTC
Bad idea.

Altering the parameters of SP training should be something requiring thought and meaningful decisons.

This is just yet another plea for self-entitlement satisfaction and placation.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
DEFIER ORILIS
Defiance Eden Initiative
#11 - 2012-12-28 14:17:33 UTC
Tippia wrote:
DEFIER ORILIS wrote:
Why are we limited to just one a year?
Because you need to learn to plan better and live with your choices.

Oh, and we're actually limited to less than that, thankfully, and we should definitely not have the ability to buy more for the same reason as always: paying ISK to ignore game mechanics is an inherently horrid idea and you might as well ask that the mechanic be removed altogether if you're going to do that.


Yea OK, so learn Perception/Willpower skill for a full year... Yea, that's great! not!
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#12 - 2012-12-28 14:18:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
DEFIER ORILIS wrote:
Actually, I think remaps should be free and part of a skill training system.
You mean just like now? Yes, I agree: no change needed, since there's no problem that needs to be solved to begin with.

Quote:
Yea OK, so learn Perception/Willpower skill for a full year... Yea, that's great! not!
You mean the second most common attribute combination, which is good for… oh… about 6 years worth of training? Yes, it is indeed great.
Dave Stark
#13 - 2012-12-28 14:18:38 UTC
DEFIER ORILIS wrote:
Tippia wrote:
DEFIER ORILIS wrote:
Why are we limited to just one a year?
Because you need to learn to plan better and live with your choices.

Oh, and we're actually limited to less than that, thankfully, and we should definitely not have the ability to buy more for the same reason as always: paying ISK to ignore game mechanics is an inherently horrid idea and you might as well ask that the mechanic be removed altogether if you're going to do that.


Yea OK, so learn Perception/Willpower skill for a full year... Yea, that's great! not!


nothing stops you adding other skills to the queue. you just train them slower as a drawback for being able to train per/will skills faster.

if it's really an issue some skills train faster than others just distribute your attributes equally like when you make a new character.
Abu Tarynnia
Kings-Guard
#14 - 2012-12-28 14:19:53 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
I always thought the "Why can't I just buy SP" threads were funnierLol


and

Tippia wrote:
DEFIER ORILIS wrote:
Why are we limited to just one a year?
Because you need to learn to plan better and live with your choices.

Oh, and we're actually limited to less than that, thankfully.


And why shouldn't I be able to buy everything ? This is EVE the ultimate nightmare of all soviets, communists and socialists. Its capitalistic at its very core. I can buy another look, I can buy even other chars ... so why in hell not a remap or even SP ?! I have RL money, I can buy plex so I also want to buy SP/remaps what ever!
And by choosing the wrong path in the beginning e.g. being a miner .. I am totally screwed when those bumbers and those blackmailers come .. because I already invested some million SP in the 'wrong' skills. Do I have to build up a new char (which won't last long against the others because they always will have more SP then me) just to compete ?!
IF Eve was the game where I can do what I want then everything should be tradable .. remaps as well as SP.

YOU CANNOT HAVE MY STUFF!!!!
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#15 - 2012-12-28 14:20:57 UTC
DEFIER ORILIS wrote:
Tippia wrote:
DEFIER ORILIS wrote:
Why are we limited to just one a year?
Because you need to learn to plan better and live with your choices.

Oh, and we're actually limited to less than that, thankfully, and we should definitely not have the ability to buy more for the same reason as always: paying ISK to ignore game mechanics is an inherently horrid idea and you might as well ask that the mechanic be removed altogether if you're going to do that.


Yea OK, so learn Perception/Willpower skill for a full year... Yea, that's great! not!



Actually, that's the exact plan I'm 18 months into. Remap....waiting in the wings.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#16 - 2012-12-28 14:21:47 UTC
Abu Tarynnia wrote:
And why shouldn't I be able to buy everything ?
Because the mechanics are there to intentionally not let you do certain things. Paying ISK to circumvent those mechanics break core components and key balance considerations in the game.

If we're going down that route, I'd like to pay to circumvent the damage mechanic and the missile formula, please.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#17 - 2012-12-28 14:23:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Abu Tarynnia wrote:

And by choosing the wrong path in the beginning e.g. being a miner .. I am totally screwed when those bumbers and those blackmailers come .. because I already invested some million SP in the 'wrong' skills. Do I have to build up a new char (which won't last long against the others because they always will have more SP then me) just to compete ?!
IF Eve was the game where I can do what I want then everything should be tradable .. remaps as well as SP.



No. You want a game with absolutely no consequences that only feeds your need to have whatever you ask for. Games do not work like that, neither does RL.

Again, more proof we live in the Age of Self-Entitlement Run Amok.


Edit correction: Well, RL can work that way if you are a billionaire.....which actually ties into the issue as to why this is a bad idea in this game with Trillionaires.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Frying Doom
#18 - 2012-12-28 14:26:12 UTC
Abu Tarynnia wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
I always thought the "Why can't I just buy SP" threads were funnierLol


and

Tippia wrote:
DEFIER ORILIS wrote:
Why are we limited to just one a year?
Because you need to learn to plan better and live with your choices.

Oh, and we're actually limited to less than that, thankfully.


And why shouldn't I be able to buy everything ? This is EVE the ultimate nightmare of all soviets, communists and socialists. Its capitalistic at its very core. I can buy another look, I can buy even other chars ... so why in hell not a remap or even SP ?! I have RL money, I can buy plex so I also want to buy SP/remaps what ever!
And by choosing the wrong path in the beginning e.g. being a miner .. I am totally screwed when those bumbers and those blackmailers come .. because I already invested some million SP in the 'wrong' skills. Do I have to build up a new char (which won't last long against the others because they always will have more SP then me) just to compete ?!
IF Eve was the game where I can do what I want then everything should be tradable .. remaps as well as SP.

Would you like to ba able to buy a big "I Win" button as well.

This is the basis of the game it is what makes it meaningful, if you could just buy everything nothing would have any meaning. why stick at this game long haul when I can go out buy 20 characters and train them instantly to fly dreads link them together and go smash a sov system, but oh the sov holders attack but that's ok I have my credit card so i will bid in an auction to kill them all and take the region for myself.

Capitalism at work and the ability to make the game complete crap. I would give this game up tomorrow if he who had the most cash won. It is a game for patience not for cash.

Go use your cash and get some lessons in patience.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
DEFIER ORILIS
Defiance Eden Initiative
#19 - 2012-12-28 14:27:10 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Abu Tarynnia wrote:
And why shouldn't I be able to buy everything ?
Because the mechanics are there to intentionally not let you do certain things. Paying ISK to circumvent those mechanics break core components and key balance considerations in the game.

If we're going down that route, I'd like to pay to circumvent the damage mechanic and the missile formula, please.


EVE is about Freedom of choice. It is build for me to do whatever I want! Therefore, I should be able to change my remaps as many times as I want. That's my EVE rights.
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2012-12-28 14:27:40 UTC
DEFIER ORILIS wrote:
Tippia wrote:
DEFIER ORILIS wrote:
Why are we limited to just one a year?
Because you need to learn to plan better and live with your choices.

Oh, and we're actually limited to less than that, thankfully, and we should definitely not have the ability to buy more for the same reason as always: paying ISK to ignore game mechanics is an inherently horrid idea and you might as well ask that the mechanic be removed altogether if you're going to do that.


Yea OK, so learn Perception/Willpower skill for a full year... Yea, that's great! not!


When you have Titan 5 in all four races, you can complain about Perception/Willpower being a useless remap. Until then, STFU.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
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