EVE General Discussion

There is no defence to AFK mining. If you're not there playing the game, you are open season for anyone that finds you a tasty target for bumping or ganking. Players who are present can generally avoid bumping and ganking by utilising simple strategies to get themselves out of harms way. AFK miners bring it on themselves by simply being AFK.

Ok .. I withdraw .. not because you succeeded in enlighten me but because my (rl)work is done and I go home now :)
Have fun.

doesn't matter if people complain about it. generally, it needs to happen.

i'm in an npc corp in high sec. know why? because null sec simply has nothing to offer people who aren't interested in watching ships go pop.

this character basically has perfect mining skills. no 0.0 entity can offer me anything that would be worth losing the wardec immunity of the npc corp and the proximity to jita.
nerfing high sec alone isn't enough, it's more likely to encourage people to quit eve than quit high sec. you need to give with one hand and take with the other, they have to feel like there's a benefit to moving to null sec rather than "high sec just got ****". if players don't want to go to null, nerfing their current "home" isn't going to motivate them to go to null.
having said that, the amount of people that read patch notes/are aware of changes to the game in high sec (especially looking at npc corp chatter) are that small that most people won't even realise a nerf has taken place so it really won't encourage people to move to low/null if they don't even realise high sec has been nerfed.

I've never really understood the anti-afk brigade, for reasons detailed in the OP. Don't get me wrong, they are entitled to do what they like in the game, ie, suicide gank, bump, etc. If they're doing it for fun, then sure, go ahead.

But when they do it from some hate of afk-play, then I can't help but look down on them for their complete lack of logic and reason.

Posting the same word copied over and over again is nonconstructive spam. Please do not do it.

You don't need logic to do what you enjoy. If they enjoy reading and mining, and doing homework at the same time, that's fine. You need logic when you decide to tell someone that they can't do something for some reason. You have the burden of proof here, not them. They're enjoying it, that's all the logic they need. AFK players always achieve less than active players, but that's the price they pay for doing it the way they want. Consequences.

How do I feel about undergrads partying? If they can get away with it then that's fine. I don't care. The ones who can party all the time are obviously clever and therefore deserve the grades more. Degrees and masters etc are designed to go towards helping employers decide who is better for a job, it supposed to be work, and it's part of a political system. So even if I did have a problem, it wouldn't matter... because Eve is a game.

They're not getting reward for doing nothing, if they were truly doing nothing, they wouldn't be getting anything. As it stands mining profits are terrible, so the AFK miner doesn't really get that much reward, but they do get to be afk whilst they do it. That's a personal choice. They accept the consequences as well when they decide to afk mine, ganking, bumping, etc... There is a risk involved with their reward. My friend, you are truly the one without logic here. Your every argument in that post falls apart at a glance.

That may be so, but if they're not present in the game when they're getting bumped/blown up, than they have nothing to complain about. I'm not saying they shouldn't do it, but they bring their own misfortune on themselves if that's how they want to play the game. Because the bumpers and gankers are playing the way they want to, as well.

I gave you logic, you rejected it. So here's some more.

Maybe, just maybe, people are anti-afk because it's easier to kill an afk freighter on autopilot than someone that's paying attention. And last I checked, a kill is a kill, especially if that freighter is carrying a tonne of goodies.

You must be some kind of twisted paragon of an bot-aspirant. Hear him roar from his throne in the basement:

• I pay real money, I should get ingame advantage! I am entitled to generate isk because I pay subscription fee!
• I want to be a bot, not just emulate one
• I am too lazy to realize my dreams
• I make more vague threats to bot

You are very special and don't let anyone tell you otherwise!

There are a few main problems with bot-aspirant playstyle. One of the biggest ones in my opinion is the constant and loud moaning and whining to make their job easier and safer. We have already seen numerous buffs to concord and mining ship EHP and cargo hold sizes.

Before these people get total immunity in highsec, they will never stop whining. We cannot let this happen. We should not let these people change Eve into something it is not.

This is why people dislike the afk-miners. They are a destructive force for the well-being of the game if left unchecked.

because you're making isk while doing something you are doing.
nobody really enjoys the tedious grind to obtain ingame currency in any game, so getting that currency while doing something else is a win win situation.