EVE General Discussion

If you care for explanations and formulas i posted these here:

1.1 Insurance:
I felt the following was missing:
Calculating in the insurance. Otherwise it will be less worth it or a way to generate free isk or even a way to "sell" insured ships
If a thing A has a bounty on him/them and character B destroys his ship/pod the following formulas could aply:

2.1 Variables:
bountyPool = "Bounty-pool that has been placed on a character/corp/alliance"
destroyedIsk = "The complete value of the destroyed ISK"
bountyKill = "The amount of isk player B recieves for the kill"
ratio = "some percentage below 100% that is assigned to the killer"
destroyedShip = "Low-End-Market-Worth of the destroyed ship"
payedInsurance = "Insurance payed to A"
destroyedItems = "Low-End-Market-Worth of the destroyed items in that ship"
destroyedImplants = "Low-End-Market-Worth of the destroyed implants"

3.1: Payout depending on Bounty on his/her head
However, with the current formulas it doesn't matter if u kill the T2-fitted Talos of the most hated player in the universe or just some minor player who happens to have just enough bounty to pay out for the Talos-Kill.
ratio could be calculated instead of beeing a fix value. For example:
ratio = -0.4 *destroyedIsk / bountyPool +0.7
If(ratio<0.3 ){ratio=0.3})
Less than 30% would be weak (:
This formular for example would give a bounty-percentage between 30% and 70%

4.1: This is what the killer gets:
destroyedIsk = destroyedShip-payedInsurance+destroyedItems+destroyedImplants
bountyKill = ratio*(destroyedIsk)
If(bountyKill>bountyPool ){bountyKill=bountyPool}
bountyKill should of course never exceed bountyPool

4.2: This is the remaining Bounty pool:
bountyPool = bountyPool - bountyKill

5.1 Notes
- It is important that the received bounty NEVER exeeds the worth of the destroyed ship/implants. Otherwise people will claim their own bounties.
- Displaying the received bounty on your profile/corp should be possible to show off your skills as a bounty-hunter
- Not allowing to receive bounties for destroyed implants could be usefull to not favor "selling of plugged-in implants" this way
- I've created this formula for the new Bounty-System long ago:
(here my old post but ill write it down again over here)
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2007183#post2007183
-Using my formula will also prevent exploits because in order to get a good percentage out of a ship you will need to drop 10times its worth as bounty.
-It would be good if one could select "only show bounties above xxxx isk". Noone cares for 100K bounties and because its enough to make everyone black, people spam ridiculously low bounties.

5.2 Adjusting the Formula
- I'm trying to promote my formula here, because it should be more flexible and higher than it currently is. I'm NOT trying to promote the range from 30% to 70% i used in my formula. Those amounts can be easily adjusted if needed.
- The needed formula is:
ratio = (minimumPayout-maximumPayout) *destroyedIsk / bountyPool +maximumPayout
(in my example minimumPayout=0.3 and MaximumPayout=0.7)
- It's also possible to make the ratio converge against 0.7 much slower:
ratio = (minimumPayout-maximumPayout) *squareroot(destroyedIsk / bountyPool) +maximumPayout
(higher roots will make it converge even slower)
- It's important to note that Bounties do NOT create ISK from nothing. It's only a transfer from the hater to the killer. If placing bounties starts to make sense a lot of ISK will be bound in bounties. It would actually destroy ISK and is therefore good for the economy.

regards
Destriouth Hollow

EDIT:
Something needs to be done, so Alliances/Corps cant just be disbanded to make the bounty vanish. It needs to stick to the Members afterwards. This is a highly complicated matter however and I don't feel like suggesting a solution when I feel like noone cares (:

whats a tldr?

This system cannot be exploited!
You can never get as much as the lost assets are worth.
You would ALWAYS fair better if you just sold it (:
(if CCP takes the correct-item-prices that is)

EDIT:
Ill fix it so its easier to understand with reading just the essentials.

It's mainly targeted at the DEVs but i'm trying to make it readable for everybody.
Hope it's better now (:

Removing the insurance system, now that would bring some interesting opportuneties to the bounty system.

I like it, put some risk back into the game aswell as letting the t1 ships see more use. It also allows for far greater payouts for opportunists and for the avrage carebear it won't matter much.

And i don't see the whole reducing pvp argument though you are welcome to elaborate on that.

Also i've never gotten a mineral insurance payout, unless you are refering to that 1 trit..

This I think is the main issue here. CCP is not really god at putting value on all items. Sure most items are OK but to be unexploitable ALL items need to be OK. I do agree they probably have too much margin today. But I also know of items in game with grossly inflated values that are probably being exploited as we speak. If CCP could come up with a better way to value items I think your idea is good.

CCP has already said they are willing to look at modifications to the payout numbers. They started at a pretty modest point to let it run for awhile and make sure they hadn't overlooked ways to game the system... so your proposal isn't out of line.

Although, no matter how you look at it, you are still going to run into the hard cap of loss value that cannot be exceeded. Under the current system people with higher bounties really aren't "More Wanted" (unless they fly very expensive ships, in which case that higher bounty does make them worth more than someone with a low bounty), it is more the fact that they remain wanted for a much longer period of time than people with low bounties.

If you want my two cents on this - probably not :) - bounties on positive sec standing characters should not have a "Wanted" sign on it, and stay the way it is more or less, and for those that have been tagged as lawbreakers with neg sec status have a slightly modified system, like your idea sort of thing.

I think being able to filter the amount of the bounty. I ie only show pilots with X amount on overview so as to get ride of all the 100kwwasters out there so say I choose show only pilots with over 10m and only a hers with that or larger bounty will have icon.. I whT ya think?

the idea is great but the problem are the corner cases. In eve it is very difficult to say what something costs. Having a payout of 20% is simply a safety measure to make market manipulation difficult. If this problem would be solved, you could rise the payout to 70% by default without the scaling.

The scaling would still exclude the "alt kill" problem under IDEAL conditions (no open market) but would make market manipulation exploits easier.