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Sure no problem. Im not a native english speaker, so that is happend very often.

So first, the goal of my first post was to avoid a "bombardment of talk-pages"; but I also see now it is better to explain when I left there some comments; as well as here.

So my Question was: Is the Amarr Civil Service, Amarr Trade Registry overseen by the Imperial Chancellor or Chamberlain?

• For the Chamberlain would speak, that currently the chart on the Amarr Emperor page shows him as overseer; as well as that the [http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Amarr_Civil_Service]ACS lore page[/url] sees him as well as somesort of overseer. Also the old shareholder numbers would speak for the Chamberlain (with them I ones make the Chart on the Emperor page).


• For the e Imperial Chancellor would speak, that newly made Government of the Amarr Empire page mention him as overseer. As well as the Amarr Civil Service as "Ministry of Civil Service"; and the Registry as "Ministry of Trade and Commerce"

That leaves me with some question markes. As who is the overseer? Both sides would have their pros and cons.

• As I mention before. If the Chamberlain stays as overseer, just the Government of the Amarr Empire page has to change. Too something like this:

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Talk:Government_of_the_Amarr_Empire


• If the Chancellor stays as overseer, we would have to change the amarr emperor page chart (some shareholder-numbers on the NPC Copr pages, which I will do; as it isnat any problem.) and the Amarr Civil Service page.

As I meantion before, both options are valid, and no problem to change either way. As for me... and this is just my personal optinion: As I mention on the other thread, on the Fiction subforum, currently there is just one page which uses those names: "Ministry of Civil Service"; "Ministry of Trade and Commerce" (see the google links here). So a change on this page would be easier. Another good argument, next to my laziness , would be that this chnage, would give the Chamberlain some administration-power, next to the Chancellor.

As for this "Imperial Departments", you could later add (if someone asks); that they existed before Moral reforms.... So before the amarrian central goverment was bilded around the emperor etc.... Something like this..... So more or less that they have transformed from previous Institutions and now are overseen by the Chaberlain (but that is just my 50 cents... I know I have nothing to say).

The second option would be also valid. But for this I would have to change the Amarr Emperor page chart. So thats why Im asking. Currently I have on the talk page a finish version (no WIP), which would could be used to update the current page with all the new information of the new pages (I mainly copy & past stuff from the lore pages, references have I add too it... so you can track it back). That would be the current version. As can be seen, If the Chancellor stays as overseer I have to change some lines; thats why Im mainly ask.

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You may also ask yourself why all the question.... It is just that the Empeor page was ones made by me.... I haev a little heart on it:
http://wiki.eveonline.com/wikiEN/index.php?title=Emperor&action=history
http://wiki.eveonline.com/wikiEN/index.php?title=Emperor&oldid=101171

Edit: I wrong before a link to the Regestry not to the ACS, I corrected it. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Amarr_Civil_Service

The Trade Registry and Civil Service are parts of the Imperial Bureaucracy, which is headed by the Imperial Chancellor.

The shareholder numbers of the Civil Service supports that the Imperial Chancellor is a major stakeholder there.

The shareholder numbers of the Trade Registry would suggest that it's more of a subset of the Civil Service, and thus by extension also under the influence of the Imperial Chancellor.

The Government of the Empire article then reinforces this by stating that the two are organized as ministries under the Chancellor.

The only body of the Amarr Government I can think of that the Court Chamberlain "governs" is the unmanageable mess of the Emperor Family.

What better way is there to explore a place than to venture into the thick mists of the Terra Incognita and fill in the blank areas on the map?

I'm glad you liked it.

Pretty much exactly the image I had in my mind when I wrote that article. Especially in the case of the practice in the game itself of stashing frozen corpses - your own if you're lucky enough. What pause would it give you, reflecting on such a thing? What would you do with it? What meaning do you (as a character and as a player) invest in it? Hence the proxy funeral and chance for these immortal beings to touch base with the spiritual side of a life increasingly rooted in the material or, more appropriately in this case, unite the two worlds. Much like us as players having two worlds that we exist in - the importance being to find a balance or sense of connection.



Spoken like a true Sebiestor egger :)

The Civil Service lore page doesn't say that the Chamberlain is in charge of it - just that the Chamberlain reviews all petitions to the emperor, which is one of his main duties.


The shareholder info was removed from the wiki for a reason - it's not really a solid foundation to build lore on. The MIO considering the Chancellor a political opponent isn't that strange though - powerful intelligence agencies have historically regarded their appointed overseers as inconveniences.



The Emperor Family is a weird institution. Each emperor brings in his closest relatives and advisors, and they leave their house and become members of the house of the emperor. The emperor will give them offices and power and they will make themselves invaluable by political connections and facilitation of the throne's will. Many will sit in positions in the Ministries and other parts of the Bureaucracy, able to influence the direction of the entire Empire. When the next emperor comes along, those people will remain in the shadow of the throne, a force the new rulers will have to appease.

The court of the Amarr emperor will be full of people related to past rulers, a political morass and a web of complex loyalties that requires a special touch to control. Though it's not their primary duty, I imagine steering and manipulating the Emperor Family must be one of the largest tasks for the Court Chamberlain. If nothing else, it's definitely the best tool an ambitious chamberlain has to influence the Empire. Karsoth, for example, was so great at controlling the Emperor Family that he used it to steer the entire Empire. That's kinda what has led to Jamyl and Pomik Haromi weakening the Emperor Family (and, perhaps by extension, the influence of the Court Chamberlain) in favour of a more smooth-running Bureaucracy.

I don't think the Chamberlain should necessarily be listed as the superior to the Emperor Family. There have probably been as many Court Chamberlains who have been puppets of the Emperor Family as there have been Court Chamberlains able to reverse that order.

Ehm... I wouldnt count it the last as law. Something what has to be.... but as poltical scientist Im used to inductive laws . So in my book, it wouldnt be an argument, that somewhere y, a institution x was inconvenience turing the time z; because of it has to also the case in the Empire (there will be a inductive probability, but in this case YOU would have to show it. In our case with an link were exactly this is the case in the Lore; otherwise it is more or less like saying: They see the IC as Hamburger and I have most likely the same inductive probability for that).

As for the first part: The SH-numbers as not a "foundation to build lore" on. I agree with you on this case. And see you argument above, as actually none. Sorry, but saying, that IC is it; because of the SH-numbers wouldnt be consistent. So no argument at all... As I said before, and I said it again and again, both have a valid lore point; and both could be incluted for the same reasons/"logic behind it"....etc....

So I take a little freedom here, a say: That your comment meant than: "would be more something in your "taste", that you see the IC as overseer."




First part. I know

Second part: ???? No you lost me. Could you re-word? Most likely just a language thingy. Ehm... I would even say because of EA, that the opposite is the case (to lazy to search now for the page numbers. Where is mention that Karsoth fears actuall loyal paladins and the people around him. Which speaks exactly in the opposite direction. etc...... I think here would be, a quick drawing the best way (with paint)..... so that I know for sure what you (and the other ISDs have in mind.. or as I said.. a mash up maybe, were all ISD put up a small drawing and from that a final ones will made?). In the meantime fly save.... and happy holidays....

Edit: Edit some misspelling from me.

So, I realize that chruker.dk's database is likely a stable source for the shareholder numbers, but the question this raises for me is:

CCP should add more lore and stories into the actual game.

Yeah I really love it, maybe it is the diversity. You have your Romanticism Versus Enlightenment, your Space Opera with its Feudal Future; in the same time some sort of Asteroid Miners and Space Western. If I could wish for something, it would be more Cyber Punk, you can never have to much Cyber Punk, never.....

i have some fiction story for you ,its called "the Door" .
Pls show me a direction ,where i can place this story.
only need to place a link to these forums