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Remove local and put an end to people talking about cloaks. Please.
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Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#61 - 2012-11-17 00:41:12 UTC
Ares Desideratus wrote:
removing local in nullsec would be the best thing ever, null would still suck poopie tho, not sure how to fix that



Are you the one criticizing other people's posts for not adding to the discussion?

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Ares Desideratus
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#62 - 2012-11-17 00:44:16 UTC
Cearain wrote:
Ares Desideratus wrote:
removing local in nullsec would be the best thing ever, null would still suck poopie tho, not sure how to fix that



Are you the one criticizing other people's posts for not adding to the discussion?

Nope, not me.
Cpt Arareb
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#63 - 2012-11-17 00:53:20 UTC
ccp kill local! just kill it already!X
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#64 - 2012-11-17 01:03:22 UTC
Local always has been exploited for unintended effects on gameplay.

It is high time for it to be fixed.

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qDoctor Strangelove
Doomheim
#65 - 2012-11-19 16:58:06 UTC  |  Edited by: qDoctor Strangelove
Val'Dore wrote:
Local always has been exploited for unintended effects on gameplay.

It is high time for it to be fixed.


Remove Local
Remove Concorde
Remove level 3 and 4 missions from empire

There, fixed it for ya.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#66 - 2012-11-19 18:17:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
Val'Dore wrote:
Local always has been exploited for unintended effects on gameplay.

It is high time for it to be fixed.


How is it unintended? Local now flashes when it spikes. Was that unintentional too?

Removing local only aids in hiding the biggest blob. There is really no advantage to anyone else.
Cheetah Paws
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#67 - 2012-12-23 06:51:42 UTC
Princess Nexxala wrote:

Another point is removing local will just protect those who do not want to PvP. I'm never interested in anything that will protect carebears, not at all. Seriously if you want to avoid PvP you should just stay in high sec or a worm hole. The brilliance of this game is the risk involved in everything you do, particularly outside of high sec. Without that this game would be like every other **** MMO out there.



having AFK cloaky campers for days does not have risk in null/low sec area

I think having afk for so long then put AFK tab next to toon on local chat Big smile
Dzajic
#68 - 2012-12-23 09:54:48 UTC
Staying in WH and avoiding PVP in same sentence. Epic troll fail.
Darvaleth Sigma
Imperial Security Hegemony
#69 - 2012-12-23 10:05:03 UTC
Does nobody get it? AFK means AFK. How the **** can somebody hurt you when they're NOT AT THEIR KEYBOARD?!

The answer is NO THEY CAN'T.

So many whiny threads!

Give a man a match and you warm him for a day.

Set a man on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life!
Dzajic
#70 - 2012-12-23 11:44:11 UTC
No one gives a frak about your trolling. Everyone knows what "AFK cloaker" means, stop playing naive.

But for more naive lolz let me put it like this, they are not dangerous when they are truly AFK, problem is for a "AFK cloaker" you don't know when he's afk and when he's 10km from you ready to uncloak and tackle your pimped anom running PVE boat.

Trivial solutions to problem exist. For example a sov structure that can burn trough cloak if you are cloaked in system for more than a hour. Or cloaked ships building up signature strengthen over time as they stay cloaked for a long time, so you can probe them even if they are cloaked if they spent most of last 5 hours in same system cloaked.
Tasiv Deka
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#71 - 2012-12-25 04:33:07 UTC
Dzajic wrote:
No one gives a frak about your trolling. Everyone knows what "AFK cloaker" means, stop playing naive.

But for more naive lolz let me put it like this, they are not dangerous when they are truly AFK, problem is for a "AFK cloaker" you don't know when he's afk and when he's 10km from you ready to uncloak and tackle your pimped anom running PVE boat.

Trivial solutions to problem exist. For example a sov structure that can burn trough cloak if you are cloaked in system for more than a hour. Or cloaked ships building up signature strengthen over time as they stay cloaked for a long time, so you can probe them even if they are cloaked if they spent most of last 5 hours in same system cloaked.



The whole 10km away line is anti-cloaking in general... which is the problem alot of people seem to have an issue with cloaks and theyre using the "AFK-CLOAKERS ARE EVIL" as a way to try and get a mechanic they dont like removed from the game, when in reality they just need to accept the fact that cloaks are part of life in eve... as for the local removed argument to be honest i have issues with both viewpoints... but all and all i dont care which way they go.

Oh, Do go on... no seriously ive got nothing better to do then listen to all the petty arguments and feeble trolling attempts... 

The sad thing is i'm not sure if i'm telling the truth.
Dea della Morte
Perkone
Caldari State
#72 - 2012-12-25 16:01:55 UTC
Whelp, that has to be one of the worst ideas i've seen here..

Arrow No intel unless you have a scanning ship
Arrow No scams in local
Arrow No local chat period
Arrow looks like OP can't rat in his carrier in null because of a cloaki...

Here's an idea, Align out. At the first sign of anything.. warp out? I've never fully understood why this is such an issue. Literaly two clicks solves the issue. No need to take out an integral part of the game because you can't be bothered to align out..
psycho freak
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#73 - 2012-12-27 10:18:29 UTC
You cant get rid of local and heres why

becouse the current crop of eve players are whineing pansys who would rage quit or endlessly cry on forums

eve players have become spoonfed pansys or clueless sheep

my spelling sux brb find phone number for someone who gives a fu*k

nop cant find it
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#74 - 2012-12-27 13:41:40 UTC  |  Edited by: March rabbit
Abyssum Invocat wrote:
Shepard Book wrote:
No local works for wormhole space just fine. How long ago was that made? I think CCP has had more than enough time to see that it works. We have so many crying about people with cloaks when they are lucky to have free intel to begin with. I am all for giving better scanners at the same time. I am not fine with free intel though and that is what local is.

We were told this would be done before Dust launch during Incarna and the whiners scrapped a ton of content and employees that would have been great to still have in my opinion.

Thank you but I would rather not spend 5 minutes d-scanning every system during a roam to figure out whether or not I was alone. Some parts of Eve are empty for 10 jumps in every direction, having to meticulously comb every AU with your scanner and pray no one unwittingly passed you, is not good gameplay.

well. using wormholers logic.....

Star gates proven itself as useful. There is thousands of gates in University. They provide PvP and stuff.
WH would be better should CCP add constantly placed gates connecting empire with each wormhole. Cool

and no. They don't like local chat so we can do them favor: WH don't need local.

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Maire Gheren
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#75 - 2012-12-27 17:39:44 UTC
To the people who say removing local would kill PVP because they'd have to scan systems down:
You do realize that the converse of that is that the people in the system don't get the opportunity to see you come into the system and instantly bolt for cover where you can't find them? It's a wash. You waste time scanning systems with nobody in it, but the systems with people in it, your scanning will actually find people instead of having them hide.
Maire Gheren
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#76 - 2012-12-27 17:58:13 UTC
Maybe a "System info" window that we can add information from the star map filters to to monitor, have it light up the moment someone fires off a cyno. Then we can have one little window with stuff like "Average pilots in system in past 30 minutes", "Pods destroyed in last hour", and so on to keep an eye on. Of course these are all delayed as we know, so we don't instantly know to bolt and dock up the instant a couple of ships come off the gate. More info, more useful info, but not as instantly timely.
As far as the channel is concerned, I notice that some of my channels only show the people who were recently talking in it. So you can still scam in Amarr local without having a big list of everyone in system.
Eternal Error
Doomheim
#77 - 2012-12-27 18:00:01 UTC
+1

Since this will never happen due to whiners, just add a ~30 second delay to local in low and null. At the very least, I don't think you should appear in local until you have decloaked post-jump.
Shaalira D'arc
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#78 - 2012-12-27 19:01:12 UTC
Shepard Book wrote:
I am not fine with free intel though and that is what local is.


Dscan is free intel. As is your overview, the starmap filters, and that nice little launcher that tells you how many people are logged into EVE.

So, what types of 'free intel' do you have a problem with?

Shepard Book wrote:
Yes, This is an ALT. I prefer to keep my opinions away from the people I associate with. Good or bad as they maybe. Rest assure, I am actually in close range of you in the killboard to value so highly. Most of my kills in Eve are from 0.0 not low sec though. Thanks for your reply Nex.


Admitting you're posting as an alt because you're too timid to associate internet forum opinion with your main character is fine. Claiming that hidden main character tops the killboards by mere assertion? Put up, or don't mention it at all.
Ashterothi
The Order of Thelemic Ascension
The Invited
#79 - 2012-12-27 20:39:07 UTC
When ever someone recommends this I am reminded of Zaphod's Joo Janta 200 Super-Chromatic Peril Sensitive Sunglasses.

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Invictus Kruegar
Estoba LLC
#80 - 2012-12-28 15:34:07 UTC
The people that want to keep Local in null are either Null bears or botters. Local is where bots notice someone in system and warp off and hide. So removing local in Null would would hinder botters income which we all want, Yes? As been mentioned Local could be an upgrade to keep them null bears happy!

Carebears- Manafacture in hi-sec
Null bears- Whinge on forums.


Flame away gentleman