Warfare & Tactics

TLDR, hit the second post for Solutions that I think would help fix FW.

The current tier system is not working any better than the last because it's exactly the same, things are just reversed. In the past the tier system made items 50% cheaper for the winning side and 50% more expensive for the losing side and there was a static LP pay out.

The new system the prices are static, but the winning side gets 50% times more ISK and the losing side gets 50% less isk or something along those lines. This is the same thing as the last system it's just that we woke up in bizarro world and are supposed to expect that would end the farming yet it's the same buying power as the last system. Of course the same turd by a different name doesn't change things.

Some might complain a bit but most are quiet an mum, because they are all farming ISK. There is little worry that FW is now mainly a PVE activity out side of fighting over strategically important locations. Sure we get more fights for systems like Raka or Enal, but where are the fights for out of the way systems like Uuna or Iges? The fact is 90% of the FW map is those out of the way systems that next to no one fights over, so they are free reign for farmers with lows filled with stabs or cloaks in the highs.

Added to this the tiericide of FW has made it so the losing Militia can no longer attract young blood to their side in order to make a come back. Instead of joining the Militia that has their favorite space ships or back story, it's pretty much just do you want to be poor or space rich. There is zero reason to join the losing side because the imbalance in ISK is so great and the prices can never get to the point it causes people to join the losing side. It just wont happen because the prices will just default to regular LP store prices. Meaning they will only go up so high but it will never go high enough to create a mass side switching of ISK farmers. (do we really want a Sov system dependent on ISK farmers anyway?)

Right now for example, it's dumb for Caldari to take back systems that are not strategically important, because it just gives away ISK to Gal & Minmatar farmers. Caldari is simply better off just to hold on to their important station systems unless they can somehow flip enough systems to bounce them to a tier 3. Other wise it's not worth taking the systems.

It's a flawed system that will never work. Added to this is revolves around PVE activity and has drastically reduced the variety of fights that are had in FW. There is little to no reason to undock a BC or a BS in FW these days out side of shooting a bunker or fighting some outside 3rd party.

Gone are the days when you needed to work to build strong fleets, step up your game and build a strong corp/allience, because now just a hand full of frigs can take a system to being vulnerable. The reason for this is the current plex system is mostly just novice, smalls & meds. Which there is little to no reason to undock anything bigger than a frig or destroyer to run.

I built my corp with the intention of stepping up our game to compete with Gal BC/BS & T3 fleets that we encountered and the tiercide of FW pretty much took that away before we ever reached that point.. It's no longer needed to build up strong gangs to compete in a fight, when you just need a handful of frigs and ISK farmers on your side.


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FW isn't unbalanced. You're just butthurt because you're losing.

If you notice most of my suggestions are to remove ISK farmers and does little to change any aspects revolving around PVP except bring more variety to it. It's balance by removing the ISK farmers from the Sov War which will leave only PVP.

I guess you are against it as long as the farmers favor your side which is very short sighted. In the past the rivers of tears flowed strong from the Gals when the farmers were on our side. One would think you would remember the days of Stabbed Merlins farming away with nothing you could do to stop them from taking your systems.

The problem with the tier system is and always has been the ISK farmers. Remove the ISK farmers and then we get a Sov war system that is worth fighting over and revolves around PVP.

All great ideas, +1.

By lowering the LP pay out for plexing and instead only giving the increased amount for missions, it pushes the farmers toward missions and out of the Sov War. Sure there might be some that farm the smaller amounts provided by plexing but the bulk would gravitate toward the missions which would not affect the Sov War.

Added to this I also mentioned that after hitting 50% contested you would start seeing more Med & Large Plexes. This is also a pretty effective deterrent to keep farmers at bay in the area of Sov War. No longer could they farm systems past 50% with month old frig toons. Therefore lessening their effect on the war zone.

Sure some higher skilled farmer could jump in a cloaky T3 and farm meds & larges, but that would be counter productive if he could instead just farm the missions with the same ship and make more.

I really think you just want to argue and attack the messenger, or you simply didn't read or don't understand what I'm suggestioning. It's ok if you want to disagree with what I've said, but don't try to bash what I've said simply because you want to attack the messenger. What I've listed would go a very long way in keeping the farming at bay in re-guard to the Sov War aspect of FW.

We have always had farming, in FW every since it became a viable ISK source. That will never change so long as there is ISK to be made and the rewards out weigh the risk. You can try to dam a river but eventually it will over run the dam, if the water is given no where to go. You must divert and give the water a place to go if you expect the dam to work.

This is what my suggestions do. They place a dam in the middle of a river and divert the water into a acceptable location. Water always takes the patch of least resistance.

Hey look another troll that has nothing to do with FW and wants to be relevant to FW for some unknown reason.

But this topic is about FW, now don't you feel relevant.

This isn't a troll post. It's a serious question. I'm new to Faction War, and just wondered.... Why are ISK farmers a bad thing? If all they do is flip systems of little strategic value for LP then why care? The only people bothered by lower tiers and lower payouts would be other ISK farmers. What am I missing?

Because the farmers all gravitate to the side which gives them the most ISK per hour. This means guys on the losing side can't make a comeback due to anything they gain will be taken away by farmers. When you are dealing with hundreds of farmers that are around all hours of the day you simply can not stop them from taking the plexes, specially when the reward to the farmer is 150% more than the reward to the guy defending.

It's like Custard's last stand against the Indians or the British against the Zulus. The overwhelming numbers take their toll.

My solution is to just make FW a copy of sov war mechanics except with only 2 sides. You have to anchor TCUs and SBUs and you get LP for it.