Science & Industry

So I showed some interest for industry, bought myself an cruiser blueprint, looked up my nearest installation, and I get something like this:

http://i.imgur.com/Erbod.jpg?1

It's basically charging me almost twice the materials required to build the remaining 14 ships on the blueprint, the attributes for it are:
Material level : 50
Wastage : 0.2%
Copy: Yes
Productivity Level: 25

I found this among the lots of blueprint currently posted by contract and I was afraid this would be some sort of troll or intended design, my skill in production eff is at III right now but didn't think the extra mats would severely add up this much.

No, but on meth it is.

Meth, not even once.



For frigs, cruisers barges and exhumers it is normal. Look for it on more stuff in the future.

this.

and as i already said before in other threads, the 'extra material' mechanism
is just messing up industrialists brains.
there are STILL people manufacturing ships with more material than before yet
they keep selling them at the old prices. ofc this means loss to them and profit to
others. i am not moaning or anything coz i am playing with open eyes and not
as a robot.

but even in theory, those extra materials that cannot be reduced by ME research
are ruining* the whole structure of industrialism and trading - at least what we were
used to work with. which means, we have to forget the past and look at whats been
going on now. in other words, it is not surprising that MANY manufacturers who
had production lines in specific ships, now have stopped manufacturing and have
started trading in mass numbers, buying ships for later selling instead of manufacturing
new ones. so what do we have in the end?

manufacturers of new ships have become second hand retailers LOL

anyway, i dont like 'extra materials' AT ALL but I advice us all :
stop moaning, start adapting. :)
(after all if you are in this game for many years you know that nothing
stays the same for ever, except the need for adaptation in 'strategy')

kisses

leo

Your material quote is at 1.25 might be due to where you're building it.

Production efficiency skill has a huge impact but I thought it would only reduce the amount of materials that were wasted in the first place. The extra materials (not raw) aren't effected by anything what so ever it would be nice if the raw and extra materials were listed separately on the blueprint information tab in game.

If you want accurate information on blueprints:

http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/blueprints/

It's all based on the information in the Static Data Extract that CCP provide, and it's up to date with Retribution.

BPCs can't be bugged, unless they all are. They're /all/ the same. They don't have the figures stored on them, just a reference to the same central source.

What's the ME on that blueprint, and what's your Production Efficiency?

As stated previously, Production Efficiency is 0. Not sure about the ME of the BPC, it is the BPC issued at the end of the Industrial Career Agent.

So let me make sure I understand you. You're saying that if I look at the Bill of Materials for a BPC, put together the materials the BPC says is required (based on the "You" numbers), and use a standard 1.0 multiplier assembly installation, I shouldn't be surprised when the quote indicates I need more materials than what the BPC says are required? Because that is what is happening.

Thanks Tau. I thought the image was pretty clear and I was going crazy. Glad to see I am not the only one.

For what it is worth, the image I attached to my bug report.

Anyone else noticed that the missing materials column is also kinda wrong? it adds the materials and extra materials to both sides which carries the implication that you are missing 2x total minerals rather then just what ever amount you are.

and yeah the whole extra minerals thing bugs the hell out of me. wtf stupid mechanic.

shouldn't it be separated out to

Raw Materials - Missing
Isogen - 9612 - 9612

Extra Materials - Missing
Isogen - 182 - 182