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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#81 - 2012-12-26 16:45:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Subdolus Venator wrote:
Nyancat Audeles wrote:
Stealth Bombers!?

But will that work? Bombing frigates seems to be rather pointless and ineffective unless you've got several bombers coordinated.

A single bomb can easily destroy a frigate class vessel if it's MWD is running... or any number of them within it's blast radius.

Timing is everything.

However, in this case it is likely not the tactic most people would have success with.

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Subdolus Venator
State War Academy
Caldari State
#82 - 2012-12-26 16:48:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Subdolus Venator
Ranger 1 wrote:
Subdolus Venator wrote:
Nyancat Audeles wrote:
Stealth Bombers!?

But will that work? Bombing frigates seems to be rather pointless and ineffective unless you've got several bombers coordinated.

A single bomb can easily destroy a frigate class vessel if it's MWD is running... or any number of them within it's blast radius.

Timing is everything.

However, in this case it is likely not the tactic most people would have success with.
Presuming you catch them with their MWD up and running and still within the blast radius...That's a tricky trick to pull.


Edit:
Caught you before the edit! :D

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Echhan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#83 - 2012-12-27 16:06:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Echhan
McRoll wrote:
Dont try to lock them up, instead do the following:

Choose a system and a gate and calculate the time which it takes for a Venture on average to align and warp from one gate to another in seconds. Get in a battleship with 8 smartbombs like the Rokh and position yourself exactly on the line between the two gates and just far enough from the gate to activate the smartbombs.

Count down once you see him appearing in local +/- a couple of seconds.

Activate your smartbombs in small intervals (like 2+2+2+2 smartbombs every second) and profit if you were lucky.

I did this in my pirate days together with corpies. It takes some time to get used to it but once you have it down it works great and you can collect oh so many tears.

You will need a cloaky scout in the other system for this though or you have to guess if it's a Venture. But then again I am probably the only player without an alt nowadays :)



The purpose of all of this being... what, exactly?

I assume you would be using large smartbombs in a BS class ship. Even vanilla bombs are 500,000 ISK on the market, give or take, against a ship with a 400,000 ISK hull? Even if you managed to destroy a Venture and got a Mod Strip Miner II to drop for loot, you would barely break even on the endeavor by deploying eight bombs. Then there is the investment on time that everyone likes to talk about in terms of ISK per hour and all that.

So someone please explain to me the capacity for profit, aside from being able to brag about squashing a little bug and taking a loss while doing it.
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#84 - 2012-12-27 16:13:10 UTC
Echhan wrote:
The purpose of all of this being... what, exactly?

I assume you would be using large smartbombs in a BS class ship. Even vanilla bombs are 500,000 ISK on the market, give or take, against a ship with a 400,000 ISK hull? Even if you managed to destroy a Venture and got a Mod Strip Miner II to drop for loot, you would barely break even on the endeavor by deploying eight bombs.
You're presuming that he'll stop after killing only one...

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Arcaus Rotrau Romali
Empyrean Enterprise Conglomerate
#85 - 2012-12-27 16:15:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Arcaus Rotrau Romali
Echhan wrote:


I assume you would be using large smartbombs in a BS class ship. Even vanilla bombs are 500,000 ISK on the market, give or take, against a ship with a 400,000 ISK hull? Even if you managed to destroy a Venture and got a Mod Strip Miner II to drop for loot, you would barely break even on the endeavor by deploying eight bombs. Then there is the investment on time that everyone likes to talk about in terms of ISK per hour and all that.

So someone please explain to me the capacity for profit, aside from being able to brag about squashing a little bug and taking a loss while doing it.


You can't even fit a strip miner on a Venture.
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#86 - 2012-12-27 16:17:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Barrogh Habalu
Echhan wrote:
The purpose of all of this being... what, exactly?

I assume you would be using large smartbombs in a BS class ship. Even vanilla bombs are 500,000 ISK on the market, give or take, against a ship with a 400,000 ISK hull? Even if you managed to destroy a Venture and got a Mod Strip Miner II to drop for loot, you would barely break even on the endeavor by deploying eight bombs. Then there is the investment on time that everyone likes to talk about in terms of ISK per hour and all that.

So someone please explain to me the capacity for profit, aside from being able to brag about squashing a little bug and taking a loss while doing it.

Smartbombs are undirected energy emission weapons, they can be used as long as you have cap and don't consume ammo.
Don't mix it up with bombs which are ammo for bomb launchers that can be fitted on Stealth bombers and are obviously used in the process.

Unless you presume that smartbombing ship taken to lowsec is lost, you lose nothing Smile

Inb4 took something wrong...

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Echhan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#87 - 2012-12-27 16:19:19 UTC
silens vesica wrote:
Echhan wrote:
The purpose of all of this being... what, exactly?

I assume you would be using large smartbombs in a BS class ship. Even vanilla bombs are 500,000 ISK on the market, give or take, against a ship with a 400,000 ISK hull? Even if you managed to destroy a Venture and got a Mod Strip Miner II to drop for loot, you would barely break even on the endeavor by deploying eight bombs.


You're presuming that he'll stop after killing only one...



That presumption leading to the assumption that he would continue in the same manner of operating at a loss? Where I come from that's called "having a hole in your bucket."
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#88 - 2012-12-27 16:21:20 UTC
Echhan wrote:
silens vesica wrote:
Echhan wrote:
The purpose of all of this being... what, exactly?

I assume you would be using large smartbombs in a BS class ship. Even vanilla bombs are 500,000 ISK on the market, give or take, against a ship with a 400,000 ISK hull? Even if you managed to destroy a Venture and got a Mod Strip Miner II to drop for loot, you would barely break even on the endeavor by deploying eight bombs.


You're presuming that he'll stop after killing only one...



That presumption leading to the assumption that he would continue in the same manner of operating at a loss? Where I come from that's called "having a hole in your bucket."

You only buy the fit once. Where's the onging drain?

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Echhan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#89 - 2012-12-27 16:34:23 UTC
silens vesica wrote:
Echhan wrote:
silens vesica wrote:
Echhan wrote:
The purpose of all of this being... what, exactly?

I assume you would be using large smartbombs in a BS class ship. Even vanilla bombs are 500,000 ISK on the market, give or take, against a ship with a 400,000 ISK hull? Even if you managed to destroy a Venture and got a Mod Strip Miner II to drop for loot, you would barely break even on the endeavor by deploying eight bombs.


You're presuming that he'll stop after killing only one...



That presumption leading to the assumption that he would continue in the same manner of operating at a loss? Where I come from that's called "having a hole in your bucket."

You only buy the fit once. Where's the onging drain?



Bah, my mistake. For whatever reason I was thinking smartbombs were one-time-use weapons. There's still the time sink that's not easy to justify.
The CandyGirl
Candy's Toy Shop
#90 - 2012-12-27 16:37:28 UTC
Lrn2smartbomb

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Scrofulous Vermin
Corsair Cartel
#91 - 2012-12-27 16:59:10 UTC
Echhan wrote:


Bah, my mistake. For whatever reason I was thinking smartbombs were one-time-use weapons. There's still the time sink that's not easy to justify.

On the other hand, one person's time-sink is another's recreation. OP was asking for technique, not looking for justification. I, personally, wouldn't bother ganking them either. I'd just drop into their grid with something nasty and scare them off - It's fun watching them scramble for safespots.
Kinda like running through a flock a perching seagulls. Only with less chance of getting spattered.
Shylari Avada
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#92 - 2012-12-27 18:21:30 UTC
Echhan wrote:
Bah, my mistake. For whatever reason I was thinking smartbombs were one-time-use weapons. There's still the time sink that's not easy to justify.


Training a Rank 2 skill to level 4 takes what, a little over 1 day?

I can think of a laundry list of skills that are just as situational, that I have trained that have taken much, much longer.
Elvis Fett
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#93 - 2012-12-27 20:57:08 UTC
Echhan wrote:



Bah, my mistake. For whatever reason I was thinking smartbombs were one-time-use weapons. There's still the time sink that's not easy to justify.



You only care about isk per hour when you view EVE online as a job. I am more concerned with smiles per hour, and killing a fast, nimble, very hard to catch ship brings those smiles. You can't pay your rent with isk, I tried, so what good is it?
Pinaculus
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#94 - 2012-12-27 21:09:52 UTC
Contract some T2 Gas Harvesters and the relevant skillbooks to the poor newbie, then enjoy cheaper drugs for when you get in actual fights. These are people that have chosen the hardest possible method of mining minerals for us. Let's not bite the hand that feeds us, guys.

I know sometimes it's difficult to realize just how much you spend on incidental things each month or year, but seriously, EVE is very cheap entertainment compared to most things... If you are a smoker, smoke one less pack a week and pay for EVE, with money left over to pick up a cheap bundle of flowers for the EVE widow upstairs.
Mike Adoulin
Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
#95 - 2012-12-27 22:57:33 UTC
You people.

This ship isn't a miner.

Oh, it looks like a miner, and it looks like a bee, and it can eat roids and suck gas like a SUV.....

But it's really a T1 interceptor.

That's right.

I said it.

And I got 2 of them, and I named them Hank and Dean.........

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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#96 - 2012-12-27 23:15:34 UTC
Elvis Fett wrote:
Echhan wrote:



Bah, my mistake. For whatever reason I was thinking smartbombs were one-time-use weapons. There's still the time sink that's not easy to justify.



You only care about isk per hour when you view EVE online as a job. I am more concerned with smiles per hour, and killing a fast, nimble, very hard to catch ship brings those smiles. You can't pay your rent with isk, I tried, so what good is it?

This. ^

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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#97 - 2012-12-27 23:16:41 UTC
Mike Adoulin wrote:
You people.

This ship isn't a miner.

Oh, it looks like a miner, and it looks like a bee, and it can eat roids and suck gas like a SUV.....

But it's really a T1 interceptor.

That's right.

I said it.

And I got 2 of them, and I named them Hank and Dean.........

Twisted

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Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#98 - 2012-12-27 23:30:37 UTC
hi sec gank in an atron
another one in amamake lol ?? he didnt warp off in time
destiny2
Decaying Rocky Odious Non Evil Stupid Inane Nobody
Looking for Trouble
#99 - 2012-12-27 23:35:18 UTC
Ovv Topik wrote:
These things are all over low now!

Nippy little bugg3rs.

What’s your preferred technique for swatting them at gates and catching them in belts before they do one?



i use a dragoon the new amarr dessy, their good with their neuting bonus, drone bay etc.
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Mire Stoude
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#100 - 2012-12-27 23:41:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Mire Stoude
I enjoy these little ships.

I honestly don't think there's a way to kill one effectively while they are mining in a belt unless they are AFK. You could fit 3x warp disruptors or 2x scrams on a frig. But you have to get in range and locked before their 3 second warp time spools up.

The best way I can think is to get a Manticore or Nemesis (since they have 4 mids) and fit it specifically for the job. Don't fit torpedos, fit 2 rocket launchers and 2 turrets, with 2x scram. Warp to the belt the miner is in, slowboat cloaked to them, (be careful of the roids) and when you are 9km off you decloak, lock and pop. Of course, this is assuming the miner doesn't flee immediately after you enter the system.

Just beware the bait Venture that has tackle and guns/drones of its own, it will have similar DPS and eHP as your gimped SB at 1/10th the cost.