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It's time CCP......Put Arenas in the game.

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Abu Shahid
Gangnam Style.
#321 - 2012-12-26 10:45:36 UTC
Dev-organized loss-free PvP arenas are a terrible idea and should be stopped. EVE PvP is greatest when it is the outcome of natural events and politics, as advertised in CCPs many marketing campaigns. Giving tools or spectator slots for players to view the biggest 0.0 battles would add dimension to EVE, and allow more people to become part of the ever-growing story that is EVE.
BoSau Hotim
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
#322 - 2012-12-26 11:16:08 UTC
Lord Wiggin wrote:
Put Arenas in the major hubs, allow players to arrange matches. Televise the match's in local and perhaps in CQ's. (I want my remote CCP)
Set up a betting system, with the house taking a cut. Part of the house cut goes to Isk prizes for the winner, based on a percentage of the take, so that the betting interest in the match directly affects the payout.
Isk sink....

I was never in favor of Arenas, I felt they would be game breaking, but after watching people attempt to manipulate the suspect system to get 1 vs 1 day after day, maybe it's time.
Outside of an Arena, there is no way to ensure a 1 vs 1. This solves the issue, provides passive entertainment for the couch potato/ship spinner types, as well as an isk sink.
With the number of gambling sites run by players, isn't it time CCP got in on the action?



'Manipulate' the suspect system? I think not. It's using the suspect system as intended. It works quite well actually and has revitalized pvp in high sec and made it fun again.

Who frakkin' wants to ensure a 1v1? I don't. I want to be able to solo pvp outside of the crimewatch system, but if someone wants to surprise me by bringing in logi - then good on them. I want my pvp spur of the moment, not have to go to some arena to 'arrange' a match.

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Az Tek
Overheat.Everything
#323 - 2012-12-26 11:28:56 UTC
BoSau Hotim wrote:
Lord Wiggin wrote:
Put Arenas in the major hubs, allow players to arrange matches. Televise the match's in local and perhaps in CQ's. (I want my remote CCP)
Set up a betting system, with the house taking a cut. Part of the house cut goes to Isk prizes for the winner, based on a percentage of the take, so that the betting interest in the match directly affects the payout.
Isk sink....

I was never in favor of Arenas, I felt they would be game breaking, but after watching people attempt to manipulate the suspect system to get 1 vs 1 day after day, maybe it's time.
Outside of an Arena, there is no way to ensure a 1 vs 1. This solves the issue, provides passive entertainment for the couch potato/ship spinner types, as well as an isk sink.
With the number of gambling sites run by players, isn't it time CCP got in on the action?



'Manipulate' the suspect system? I think not. It's using the suspect system as intended. It works quite well actually and has revitalized pvp in high sec and made it fun again.

Who frakkin' wants to ensure a 1v1? I don't. I want to be able to solo pvp outside of the crimewatch system, but if someone wants to surprise me by bringing in logi - then good on them. I want my pvp spur of the moment, not have to go to some arena to 'arrange' a match.



^ this.

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RichtPaul
Shadow Industries I
#324 - 2012-12-27 04:13:53 UTC  |  Edited by: RichtPaul
Lord Wiggin wrote:
Put Arenas in the major hubs, allow players to arrange matches. Televise the match's in local and perhaps in CQ's. (I want my remote CCP)
Set up a betting system, with the house taking a cut. Part of the house cut goes to Isk prizes for the winner, based on a percentage of the take, so that the betting interest in the match directly affects the payout.
Isk sink....

I was never in favor of Arenas, I felt they would be game breaking, but after watching people attempt to manipulate the suspect system to get 1 vs 1 day after day, maybe it's time.
Outside of an Arena, there is no way to ensure a 1 vs 1. This solves the issue, provides passive entertainment for the couch potato/ship spinner types, as well as an isk sink.
With the number of gambling sites run by players, isn't it time CCP got in on the action?



Allow for betting. +1
Wescro
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#325 - 2012-12-27 04:31:16 UTC
Lord Wiggin wrote:
Put Arenas in the major hubs, allow players to arrange matches. Televise the match's in local and perhaps in CQ's. (I want my remote CCP)
Set up a betting system, with the house taking a cut. Part of the house cut goes to Isk prizes for the winner, based on a percentage of the take, so that the betting interest in the match directly affects the payout.
Isk sink....

I was never in favor of Arenas, I felt they would be game breaking, but after watching people attempt to manipulate the suspect system to get 1 vs 1 day after day, maybe it's time.
Outside of an Arena, there is no way to ensure a 1 vs 1. This solves the issue, provides passive entertainment for the couch potato/ship spinner types, as well as an isk sink.
With the number of gambling sites run by players, isn't it time CCP got in on the action?



There is no reason why the current game mechanics can not allow for players to set up such a system themselves. A dedicated NPC protected, NPC moderated, NPC controlled, NPC organized arena is not in the spirit of Eve. Let the players manage to carve their on destiny.

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SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#326 - 2012-12-27 04:42:01 UTC
Abu Shahid wrote:
Dev-organized loss-free PvP arenas are a terrible idea and should be stopped. EVE PvP is greatest when it is the outcome of natural events and politics, as advertised in CCPs many marketing campaigns. Giving tools or spectator slots for players to view the biggest 0.0 battles would add dimension to EVE, and allow more people to become part of the ever-growing story that is EVE.


I would be all for giving dedicated reporting organizations GM style ships that could zip into big fleet fights and broadcast them.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#327 - 2012-12-27 04:44:05 UTC
Wescro wrote:
Lord Wiggin wrote:
Put Arenas in the major hubs, allow players to arrange matches. Televise the match's in local and perhaps in CQ's. (I want my remote CCP)
Set up a betting system, with the house taking a cut. Part of the house cut goes to Isk prizes for the winner, based on a percentage of the take, so that the betting interest in the match directly affects the payout.
Isk sink....

I was never in favor of Arenas, I felt they would be game breaking, but after watching people attempt to manipulate the suspect system to get 1 vs 1 day after day, maybe it's time.
Outside of an Arena, there is no way to ensure a 1 vs 1. This solves the issue, provides passive entertainment for the couch potato/ship spinner types, as well as an isk sink.
With the number of gambling sites run by players, isn't it time CCP got in on the action?



There is no reason why the current game mechanics can not allow for players to set up such a system themselves. A dedicated NPC protected, NPC moderated, NPC controlled, NPC organized arena is not in the spirit of Eve. Let the players manage to carve their on destiny.


Players already do this. Goonswarm's squads often do T1 thunderdomes, and 1v1 matches. Razor alliances runs it's own yearly alliance tournament. We once did a "Newbie Hunger Games" where bitter vets could sponsor a newbie by warping on field with a repping ship for 10 seconds, or send them mods that would make their ships more powerful.
Valleria Darkmoon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#328 - 2012-12-27 07:55:55 UTC
Mr Kidd wrote:
Valleria Darkmoon wrote:

The only people who really think PvP or even solo is dead are those without the courage to really go and look.


Wrong in so many ways. Allow me to rephrase that for you. The only people who think solo pvp is still alive are the folks who can spend 6 hours a day 7 days a week looking for it. The reality is, if you go looking for it "solo", you're chances of running into a gate camp, a blob and other various superior forces are much higher than finding a solo, matched fight. Anyone who has actually gone out there looking for the good solo fight knows this to which I must conclude you have not.


I've lived in low sec for a very long time and it rarely takes me more than 5-7 jumps to find a fight, if that takes you 6 hours you're doing it wrong. They're not all epic fights where I kill 12 guys and warp out in structure and I don't always win. When I said you can solo I mean you can get in a ship and head out looking for trouble without joining a fleet first. You can't control what others bring but you have better control over your situation when they are all on grid. Too many people lose their nerve and warp out easily but one of the safest places to have your enemy is on a clean grid and beyond the range they are set to hit. I understand the desire to get away when you see 12 guys yellow/red boxing you but if you're not taking damage let them, who cares. See what comes for you, maybe some of them you can beat by yourself.

I'd be lying if I said I could solo 12 guys at once and also when separating a superior force many of the kills you will get are not even. Battlecruisers are pretty strong compared to a T1 frigate but they are the ones you are likely to catch chasing you away from their friends. In fact many of the kills you get while solo are precisely because your pursuer is confident and less cautious because he feels he has you outnumbered and doesn't actually have the ability to survive when he finds out he's much closer to alone than he thought. As for asking for a 1v1 most of them are honored in my experience, although everyone seems to feel that they won't be. The main problem with this is that you almost always get an opponent who shows up in some ridiculously overtanked, 100 dps pile of garbage and consumes all of your ammo in the time it takes to kill him which is why I prefer to blow up ships in front of their friends. Arenas will certainly not help this last problem and I feel it would be much more likely to amplify it and you'll end up with multiple fights where each person who shows up can perma tank the opposition. In short I predict it would simply be the new equivalent of high sec docking games

Reality has an almost infinite capacity to resist oversimplification.
Karrl Tian
Doomheim
#329 - 2012-12-27 08:01:25 UTC
I thought Nullsec was the arena. People certainly aren't going there for PvE. Blink
Wyke Mossari
Staner Industries
#330 - 2012-12-27 08:13:43 UTC

No, not necessary with new crime watch and bounties.
Valleria Darkmoon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#331 - 2012-12-27 08:15:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Valleria Darkmoon
I should add at this point that we did run Frigfest a few months back in Amamake and tons of people showed up to fight there in their frigates, some were people who warped in a joined fights going on at a belt which generated some complaints about a gank but it was their fault fighting at celestials (their opponent promptly being finished off as well usually ended the rants), some pilots blobbed and some people showed up to safe up and challenge people to 1v1 where they'd join fleet and have their opponent warp to them. Hundreds of kills and nearly 10 billion ISK worth of frigates (and other stuff) died that week, frigate pilots would even call a truce to gang up on people who brought in battlecruisers and other such things to spoil it and the BC would quickly find itself being destroyed by 7 frigates with their e-war keeping them all alive. If you were interested in a frigate 1v1 there was absolutely no excuse for not finding it an Amamake that week. I even promised not to shoot any pods that lost a frigate and I didn't in the interest of keeping participation high and I didn't kill a single one. There was a killboard for the event exclusively and you can look it up if you like, tons of solo "fair" fights to be had there.

If you posted about needing arenas and you didn't show up to that event, give your head a shake. Although there were some shennanigans, 95% of the combat that week was on the level and if you lose a T1 frigate how many tears are you really going to shed over it? Or are arenas supposed to be restricted to high sec only so that CONCORD can do what we could not? Namely promising your safety until you get into your deathmatch.

Reality has an almost infinite capacity to resist oversimplification.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#332 - 2012-12-27 08:41:01 UTC
Valleria Darkmoon wrote:
If you posted about needing arenas and you didn't show up to that event, give your head a shake. Although there were some shennanigans, 95% of the combat that week was on the level and if you lose a T1 frigate how many tears are you really going to shed over it? Or are arenas supposed to be restricted to high sec only so that CONCORD can do what we could not? Namely promising your safety until you get into your deathmatch.

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destiny2
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Rogue Drone Recovery Syndicate
#333 - 2012-12-27 10:26:23 UTC
why go to a arena, when you can just fly in some random alliances space, and demand, a battle.

sheesh poster is trying to make this game like World Of WarCrap.Evil
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
Tactical-Retreat
#334 - 2012-12-27 11:52:14 UTC
I would love to see a CCP in-game tool helping players to organize small-size tournaments, like these internal frigates-tournament that a lots of corps have, now that Retribution has been released.

Not something that prevent losses -see, even for the alliance tournament, it's 'real' stuff-, I thought of something more practical like points count, and so on.

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Ares Desideratus
UNSAFE SPACE
#335 - 2012-12-27 12:33:18 UTC
destiny2 wrote:
why go to a arena, when you can just fly in some random alliances space, and demand, a battle.

sheesh poster is trying to make this game like World Of WarCrap.Evil

Idunno, sometimes I think you guys are just Eve Hipsters and that there would actually be nothing wrong with a legit 1v1 system in high-sec.
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#336 - 2012-12-27 14:11:21 UTC
Lord Wiggin wrote:
Put Arenas in the major hubs, allow players to arrange matches.

No.

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
Nessa Aldeen
First Among Equals
#337 - 2012-12-28 12:29:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Nessa Aldeen
Those who are saying 'NAY' are not reading the context of the OP. Read slowly, and not read it like an FB post.

You keep going on and on about pvp already exists. Everyone who signed up on EVE knows this.

What is proposed is legitimate spectator sport and induce betting and gambling. That is entertainment pvp. You still LOSE ships AND Iskies albeit through entertainment. Hopefully this will also attract hi sec dwellers/risk adverse players to pvp and eventually be motivated to go into low and null.
Myfanwy Heimdal
Heimdal Freight and Manufacture Inc
#338 - 2012-12-28 13:17:17 UTC
Ares Desideratus wrote:
destiny2 wrote:
why go to a arena, when you can just fly in some random alliances space, and demand, a battle.

sheesh poster is trying to make this game like World Of WarCrap.Evil

Idunno, sometimes I think you guys are just Eve Hipsters and that there would actually be nothing wrong with a legit 1v1 system in high-sec.


There is. Join in the same corp and set to one and another.

It's there. Use it.

As the philosopher Roger Waters almost wrote "We don't need no arenas"

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Myfanwy Heimdal
Heimdal Freight and Manufacture Inc
#339 - 2012-12-28 13:20:17 UTC
Nessa Aldeen wrote:
Those who are saying 'NAY' are not reading the context of the OP. Read slowly, and not read it like an FB post.

You keep going on and on about pvp already exists. Everyone who signed up on EVE knows this.

What is proposed is legitimate spectator sport and induce betting and gambling. That is entertainment pvp. You still LOSE ships AND Iskies albeit through entertainment. Hopefully this will also attract hi sec dwellers/risk adverse players to pvp and eventually be motivated to go into low and null.


Sigh. You can still do that today.

You read the umpteen other posts hereabouts on how this sort of thing is already done.

All the combatants have to do is to join the same Corporation for the duration and then let others bet on it. I'd run the book myself if there is any interest but arenas are not, repeat not, needed at all.

The game mecahnics are there. Use them.

Can we stop this High Sec Arena bleating because sooner or later I am going to start saying WoW and EQ are over there somewhere soon?

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March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#340 - 2012-12-28 13:25:11 UTC
Abu Shahid wrote:
Dev-organized loss-free PvP arenas are a terrible idea and should be stopped. EVE PvP is greatest when it is the outcome of natural events and politics, as advertised in CCPs many marketing campaigns. Giving tools or spectator slots for players to view the biggest 0.0 battles would add dimension to EVE, and allow more people to become part of the ever-growing story that is EVE.

i've been there. i've seen that.

So you really sure someone will enjoy watching sitting hordes of ships in station/next to Titan for hours?
Or someone will enjoy watching not-happened battle because one side "smartly" decided to not engage?

0.0 blob battles are fun sometimes. But it is really rare case for side spectator.

And about politics and story of Eve..... Well.... This is story for sure. But not sure if this would catch someone outside of those 0.0 alliances making it. After all there is no difference if BOB is dominated, or goonswarm is dominated. or some other alliance is dominated in 0.0. From outside these are just different names.

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