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So I reported a bot... (and forums ate my post...)

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Comey Calla
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-12-26 23:10:58 UTC
I've been doing some hisec mining and today I've come across a pod sitting by a Retriever wreck. As it was yellow, I just salvaged the wreck and went on mining, and asked they guy what happened - no answer. OK, maybe he was AFK. I filled my Venture (that's 20 minutes or more) and the guy still was sitting there. I approached the container and saw it full of toys. But, didn't fell to it: I unloaded my Venture, returned and digged a bit more.

By then I was suspicious, that guy was doing nothing, even if he was AFK, well, he wouldn't just let the ship alone for like an hour, don't? Eventually it will get full. So I tried to convo him, to no avail. I did my second shift and returned, then I stole his stuff. I had to do it 4 times, as my Venture can't hold all that much ore (some 60k pyroxeres, which I sold for 3+ million, easy money! Lol).

At this point, I was reasonably sure that he was a bot and reported him, but the point is, what if he was not a bot? Is it misbehavior to report as a bot someone and turns he's not a bot? And, is it useful at all to report suspected bots?
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#2 - 2012-12-27 00:47:03 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Comey Calla wrote:
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At this point, I was reasonably sure that he was a bot and reported him, but the point is, what if he was not a bot? Is it misbehavior to report as a bot someone and turns he's not a bot? And, is it useful at all to report suspected bots?
After CCP has looked into it and concluded the reported player is/was not a bot, noting will happen.
However, continuous reporting the same person(s) as a bot wile CCP has concluded they are not, can be considered harassment. Since harassing other players is not allowed, that may lead to repercussions for your account.
In short, if you suspect someone to be a bot, report it once and let CCP do their job.
And yes, that is useful. Players reporting a suspected bot is one of the (many) tools CCP uses to catch the real evildoing game breakers.

In your specific case, if you stumble upon the same player again and think by yourself 'Hey! I reported this guy, he's a bot! Why isn't he banned?!?' consider the following: It may have been a legitimate miner ATK who had a real life emergency that forced him to immediately abandon his computer, only to be able to return to it two days later. Unfortunately those things do happen.

Or maybe he just fell asleep.....Twisted

If you have any further questions regarding this, please feel free to ask them in this thread.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-12-27 00:55:16 UTC
ISD Ezwal wrote:
Comey Calla wrote:
...
At this point, I was reasonably sure that he was a bot and reported him, but the point is, what if he was not a bot? Is it misbehavior to report as a bot someone and turns he's not a bot? And, is it useful at all to report suspected bots?
After CCP has looked into it and concluded the reported player is/was not a bot, noting will happen.
However, continuous reporting the same person(s) as a bot wile CCP has concluded they are not, can be considered harassment. Since harassing other player is not allowed, that may lead to repercussions for your account.
In short, if you suspect someone to be a bot, report it once and let CCP do their job.
And yes, that is useful. Players reporting a suspected bot is one of the (many) tools CCP uses to catch the real evildoing game breakers.

In your specific case, if you stumble upon the same player again and think by yourself 'Hey! I reported this guy, he's a bot! Why isn't he banned?!?' consider the following: It may have been a legitimate miner ATK who had a real life emergency that forced him to immediately abandon his computer, only to be able to return to it two days later.
Unfortunately those things do happen.

If you have any further questions regarding this, please feel free to ask them in this thread.


This.

Reporting someone as a possible bot is all fair. CCP will be notified and look into it, if they find out he is a bot, he gets banned. If they find out he isn't one, he will be able to play like nothing happened.

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Senshi Hawk
Tritanium Industries and Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#4 - 2012-12-27 01:30:09 UTC
Comey Calla wrote:
that guy was doing nothing, even if he was AFK, well, he wouldn't just leave the ship alone for like an hour,


Although this would be a very careless and time-inefficient thing to do, I have seen things like this happen many times. When I first came to EVE I had just come from a game that had a log-off timer. If you were idle for a certain amount of time it would log you off. So in my early days, I once left a mining barge actively mining and then went to sleep, expecting my toon to log off after 15 minutes.

Woke up the next morning and I was in a pod. The rats got me. I never did something stupid like that again.
Marr Aridia
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2012-12-27 07:17:19 UTC
ISD Ezwal wrote:
[quote=Comey Calla]

Or maybe he just fell asleep.....Twisted



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People for the Ethical Treatment of Rogue Drones
#6 - 2012-12-27 11:59:05 UTC
I should report all of you for harassment against Bots. We are a clever and industrious people who have as much right to play EVE as any of you.X

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#7 - 2012-12-27 12:31:09 UTC
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Thomas Gore
Blackfyre Enterprise
#8 - 2012-12-27 12:49:29 UTC
All I can say is, you need to train your skills up if it takes 20 min+ to fill up a Venture.
Major Trant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-12-27 13:56:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Major Trant
Comey Calla wrote:
...then I stole his stuff. I had to do it 4 times, as my Venture can't hold all that much ore...

In situations like this it is best to steal it all at once the first time. Jettison a can and transfer it all into your can then take from that. This way you don't refresh your suspect counter each time. You just get the initial suspect counter and then it simply bleeds away during the other trips to your home station. You could even wait out the suspect counter after the first trip, then returned with complete immunity to pick up the rest.
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#10 - 2012-12-27 14:23:30 UTC
Comey Calla wrote:
I stole his stuff. I had to do it 4 times, as my Venture can't hold all that much ore (some 60k pyroxeres, which I sold for 3+ million, easy money! Lol).




So you reported a cash cow? Rethink your plans there isn't a lot of difference between an AFK retriever and a bot. One clicks a few buttons more than the other. Considering they can't be effectively ganked with the EHP on barges I'd just learn to embrace the ones you can rob.
Arcaus Rotrau Romali
Empyrean Enterprise Conglomerate
#11 - 2012-12-27 14:24:25 UTC
Major Trant wrote:
Comey Calla wrote:
...then I stole his stuff. I had to do it 4 times, as my Venture can't hold all that much ore...

In situations like this it is best to steal it all at once the first time. Jettison a can and transfer it all into your can then take from that. This way you don't refresh your suspect counter each time. You just get the initial suspect counter and then it simply bleeds away during the other trips to your home station. You could even wait out the suspect counter after the first trip, then returned with complete immunity to pick up the rest.


This is one of the reasons I like Eve. The OP gets advice on his issue, bettering his skills to improve his gameplay, and how to be a better ... opportunist, shall we say. So many different ways to look at and play the game.

And, thanks for the tip.
Lady Katherine Devonshire
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#12 - 2012-12-28 02:44:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Lady Katherine Devonshire
In other news... people still jetcan in this day and age? Why oh who would anyone do such a thing? No ore canister should be left in space for longer than it takes the nearest friendly Orca to haul it in.

In fact I would even go so far as to say that this would have looked to me like a case of can baiting. I am surprised that this person's friends did not show up the moment the suspect flag was activated. You were possibly very fortunate in this regard.

But if it was a bot then this would all make sense. I would theorize that not all of the mining bots programs out there have been properly updated in some time and therefore many may still be using old obsolete jetcan coding in their processes. So by all means, steal from them. It is bad enough that they are botting... worse still that they are too lazy to even keep their nefarious programs up to date.

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Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
#13 - 2012-12-28 02:45:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Nerath Naaris
Comey Calla wrote:
I've been doing some hisec mining and today I've come across a pod sitting by a Retriever wreck.

By then I was suspicious, that guy was doing nothing, even if he was AFK, well, he wouldn't just let the ship alone for like an hour, don't? Eventually it will get full.


Actually, a bot would probably keep his "routine", regardless of being in a ship or not. In case of a miner warp to station and then back to the belt... even if he is in a pod.

At least that´s what I heard, you wouldn´t catch me mining if my life depended on it. Evil


Edit:

Comey Calla wrote:
I did my second shift and returned, then I stole his stuff. I had to do it 4 times, as my Venture can't hold all that much ore (some 60k pyroxeres, which I sold for 3+ million, easy money! Lol).


You seem to accidentally have discovered the only community-approved way of mining, congratulations!

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Comey Calla
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2012-12-28 07:43:55 UTC
Major Trant wrote:
Comey Calla wrote:
...then I stole his stuff. I had to do it 4 times, as my Venture can't hold all that much ore...

In situations like this it is best to steal it all at once the first time. Jettison a can and transfer it all into your can then take from that. This way you don't refresh your suspect counter each time. You just get the initial suspect counter and then it simply bleeds away during the other trips to your home station. You could even wait out the suspect counter after the first trip, then returned with complete immunity to pick up the rest.


Yay, that looks way smarter... Lol
Comey Calla
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2012-12-28 07:47:41 UTC
Lady Katherine Devonshire wrote:
In other news... people still jetcan in this day and age? Why oh who would anyone do such a thing? No ore canister should be left in space for longer than it takes the nearest friendly Orca to haul it in.

In fact I would even go so far as to say that this would have looked to me like a case of can baiting. I am surprised that this person's friends did not show up the moment the suspect flag was activated. You were possibly very fortunate in this regard.

But if it was a bot then this would all make sense. I would theorize that not all of the mining bots programs out there have been properly updated in some time and therefore many may still be using old obsolete jetcan coding in their processes. So by all means, steal from them. It is bad enough that they are botting... worse still that they are too lazy to even keep their nefarious programs up to date.


Was not a jetcan, was a wreck. The rats had killed the Retriever and there was a pod and the wreck by it.
Makavi Astro
State War Academy
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-12-28 09:26:50 UTC
so wait, why don't CCP ban the trade hub scam bots?