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Null is Broken, Hisec working as intended.

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Peter Raptor
Galactic Hawks
#1 - 2012-12-27 06:08:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Peter Raptor
All these "Nerf hisec" threads are just ludicrous, and All these "Null is broken" threads are enlightening.

If CCP nerfs hisec, what have the hisec dwellers/industrialists got left, mining in losec?....totally useless.

Living in Null sec? Practically every thread talking about Null sec speaks about how pointless it is to live there.

It is Null sec that needs to be Buffed somehow, cos if you nerf the daylights outta High sec, people will have little choice but to

leave, and we'll get the same lousy player numbers as during the last unending Hulkaggeddon before the Mining Barge Buff.

Evelopedia; 

The Amarr Empire, is known for its omnipresent religion  †  
ihcn
Life. Universe. Everything.
#2 - 2012-12-27 06:25:24 UTC
Your mistake is equating "nerf hisec" with "completely ruin hisec" when in reality nobody who's advocating the first thing wants the second thing. Sorry about your misinformed opinion.
Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-12-27 06:26:14 UTC
Peter Raptor wrote:
If CCP nerfs hisec, what have the hisec dwellers/industrialists got left

A lot of other space to do business in. High-sec should be left to new players and the little coddled children who can't handle conflict in a PvP game.

CCP has no sense of humour.
Peter Raptor
Galactic Hawks
#4 - 2012-12-27 06:29:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Peter Raptor
Some Rando wrote:
Peter Raptor wrote:
If CCP nerfs hisec, what have the hisec dwellers/industrialists got left

A lot of other space to do business in. High-sec should be left to new players and the little coddled children who can't handle conflict in a PvP game.


As I said elsewhere , many people play EVE to relax, manufacture stuff, hang out with friends, not to have an FC yelling at them for allegedly making the team lose a PVP match. If forced to PVP, many would rather leave.

Evelopedia; 

The Amarr Empire, is known for its omnipresent religion  †  
Rain6635
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#5 - 2012-12-27 06:34:55 UTC
it should be that high sec missions are run just for the standings, so pilots can travel through unmolested on their way back to jita. no LP or ISK rewards and bonus.

AND standings degrade over time... so you have to return to repair standings with missions periodically.

like going to the DMV or filing taxes, something that everyone has to do.

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Peter Raptor
Galactic Hawks
#6 - 2012-12-27 06:38:04 UTC
Rain6635 wrote:
it should be that high sec missions are run just for the standings, so pilots can travel through unmolested on their way back to jita. no LP or ISK rewards and bonus.

AND standings degrade over time... so you have to return to repair standings with missions periodically.

like going to the DMV or filing taxes, something that everyone has to do.


I don't mind that cos missions give paultry isk rewards as is, but standings degrading over time would totally suck Sad

Evelopedia; 

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Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-12-27 06:38:12 UTC
Peter Raptor wrote:
As I said elsewhere , many people play EVE to relax, manufacture stuff, hang out with friends, not to have an FC yelling at them for allegedly making the team lose a PVP match. If forced to PVP, many would rather leave.

That's fine, live in high-sec if you think the rest of space is like that.

The problem is that high-sec is just too good compared to the rest of.K-space. It needs to be nerfed to bring it in line. After that, a buff to null industry and maybe some slight improvements in null and low individual income would help balance the game, IMO.

CCP has no sense of humour.
Peter Raptor
Galactic Hawks
#8 - 2012-12-27 06:42:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Peter Raptor
Sure this has to be done carefully though, imprudently nerf hisec mining for example, and inflation will skyrocket, and people will whine about plex prices going to a Billion possibly.

Evelopedia; 

The Amarr Empire, is known for its omnipresent religion  †  
Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-12-27 06:52:54 UTC
Peter Raptor wrote:
Sure this has to be done carefully though, imprudently nerf hisec mining for example, and inflation will skyrocket, and people will whine about plex prices going to a Billion possibly.

I think this "ring-mining" will help rebalance mining and the POS rework will help with industry (and hopefully reduce the allowed size of POSes in high-sec), but station services in high-sec also need a serious looking-into; they're simply too good for how many there are in near-safety. L4s also need to be looked into, as well as incursions; IMO they should both be removed from high-sec but whatever. Then exploration, L3s, and mining should be balanced to provide roughly the same "grind" income.

No matter what I think, though, at the end of the day CCP will be making the decisions. All the players can do is quibble and troll over what they think is best.

CCP has no sense of humour.
Torakenat
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2012-12-27 07:02:34 UTC
You can't force someone to play the way you want to play.

However, you can entice players to play like you.

I don't understand how you feel nerfing or putting restrictions or penalties on anything, that only spins a negative action to a player, in hopes to gain a positive response.

I can guarantee you this won't happen.

However, if you buff null sec and implement more content to give players more of a reason to leave hi sec you might have a better chance in getting a higher population in null.

Now if you want to sit behind your monitor and troll and act like an asshat then you can just as well HTFU

I would rather read and entertain posts being constructive and devise a positive solution.

Why don't we have a persistent ongoing arena system. Where you can queue up in your pos or npc dock? Like an 8 pilot/16 pilot random setup? Or a pre-made fleet 8 pilot/16pilot arena teams?

Why don't we have generic mission givers in pos's in null?

Is it possible to give certain systems a buff for say mining yield. While mining in this system you get X amount percentage increase in yield?

Can we make null a little more new player friendly? Hell my corp/alliance is a null sec corp/alliance and if it wasn't for them holding my hand I would happily stay in hi sec.
Peter Raptor
Galactic Hawks
#11 - 2012-12-27 07:05:09 UTC
Some Rando wrote:
Peter Raptor wrote:
Sure this has to be done carefully though, imprudently nerf hisec mining for example, and inflation will skyrocket, and people will whine about plex prices going to a Billion possibly.

I think this "ring-mining" will help rebalance mining and the POS rework will help with industry (and hopefully reduce the allowed size of POSes in high-sec), but station services in high-sec also need a serious looking-into; they're simply too good for how many there are in near-safety. L4s also need to be looked into, as well as incursions; IMO they should both be removed from high-sec but whatever. Then exploration, L3s, and mining should be balanced to provide roughly the same "grind" income.

No matter what I think, though, at the end of the day CCP will be making the decisions. All the players can do is quibble and troll over what they think is best.



Nevertheless CCP will be reading closely what we think, cos we pay their wages.

Evelopedia; 

The Amarr Empire, is known for its omnipresent religion  †  
Frying Doom
#12 - 2012-12-27 07:11:40 UTC
Some Rando wrote:
[quote=Peter Raptor]Sure this has to be done carefully though, imprudently nerf hisec mining for example, and inflation will skyrocket, and people will whine about plex prices going to a Billion possibly.

I think this "ring-mining" will help rebalance mining and the POS rework will help with industry (and hopefully reduce the allowed size of POSes in high-sec), but station services in high-sec also need a serious looking-into; they're simply too good for how many there are in near-safety. /quote]
Personally I hope they don't put size restrictions on POSs any where, player owned should be better than NPC anywhere and there is no real need to butcher hi-sec to make other areas seem better, however player owned should look better than NPC supplied.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
ihcn
Life. Universe. Everything.
#13 - 2012-12-27 07:11:54 UTC
Peter Raptor wrote:
Some Rando wrote:
Peter Raptor wrote:
If CCP nerfs hisec, what have the hisec dwellers/industrialists got left

A lot of other space to do business in. High-sec should be left to new players and the little coddled children who can't handle conflict in a PvP game.


As I said elsewhere , many people play EVE to relax, manufacture stuff, hang out with friends, not to have an FC yelling at them for allegedly making the team lose a PVP match. If forced to PVP, many would rather leave.

wow you jumped to the "i am threatening to leave" post this quickly?

can i have your stuff
Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-12-27 07:15:08 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Personally I hope they don't put size restrictions on POSs any where, player owned should be better than NPC anywhere and there is no real need to butcher hi-sec to make other areas seem better, however player owned should look better than NPC supplied.

The only problem with that is you cannot bring certain capital ships into high-sec which make structure-grinding pretty painful. Otherwise I agree with you.

CCP has no sense of humour.
Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#15 - 2012-12-27 07:19:44 UTC
Rain6635 wrote:
it should be that high sec missions are run just for the standings, so pilots can travel through unmolested on their way back to jita. no LP or ISK rewards and bonus.

AND standings degrade over time... so you have to return to repair standings with missions periodically.

like going to the DMV or filing taxes, something that everyone has to do.


Fail.

Not everyone lives in null or lowsec or even has enough time to earn money in other ways than missioning.

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

Fighting back is more fun than not.

Sticky: AFK Cloaking Thread It's not pretty, but it's there.
Eternal Error
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2012-12-27 07:20:24 UTC
This thread sucks.
RAGE QU1T
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-12-27 07:24:50 UTC
Peter Raptor wrote:
Some Rando wrote:
Peter Raptor wrote:
If CCP nerfs hisec, what have the hisec dwellers/industrialists got left

A lot of other space to do business in. High-sec should be left to new players and the little coddled children who can't handle conflict in a PvP game.


As I said elsewhere , many people play EVE to relax, manufacture stuff, hang out with friends, not to have an FC yelling at them for allegedly making the team lose a PVP match. If forced to PVP, many would rather leave.


Confirming, no one likes EMO raging FC's spamming alliance crying for more Logi's, furthermore people are tired of CTA online
Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-12-27 07:24:59 UTC
Eternal Error wrote:
This thread sucks.


Well, happy christmas and a happy new year.

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

Fighting back is more fun than not.

Sticky: AFK Cloaking Thread It's not pretty, but it's there.
Peter Raptor
Galactic Hawks
#19 - 2012-12-27 07:25:13 UTC
Eternal Error wrote:
This thread sucks.


Youre a Pirate right?

Evelopedia; 

The Amarr Empire, is known for its omnipresent religion  †  
EI Digin
irc.zulusquad.org
#20 - 2012-12-27 07:26:37 UTC
RAGE QU1T wrote:
Peter Raptor wrote:
Some Rando wrote:
Peter Raptor wrote:
If CCP nerfs hisec, what have the hisec dwellers/industrialists got left

A lot of other space to do business in. High-sec should be left to new players and the little coddled children who can't handle conflict in a PvP game.


As I said elsewhere , many people play EVE to relax, manufacture stuff, hang out with friends, not to have an FC yelling at them for allegedly making the team lose a PVP match. If forced to PVP, many would rather leave.


Confirming, no one likes EMO raging FC's spamming alliance crying for more Logi's, furthermore people are tired of CTA online


So don't join an alliance that demands you to play on their terms?
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