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Equinox Spider
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-12-27 02:10:38 UTC
A few people seem to be uber scared, such as myself, doing missions with reading whats on the forums. I super tanked my maelstrom in fear of loosing it, and infact i haven't noticed any difference.
I took 15 hobgoblin II with me, and in around 15 missions, i still have the same 15 drones that i started with. So far ive only seen them targeted 3 times, and i only use them on frigs that get too close, apart from that my AC's shred everything like it always has.

It seems like the hysteria created was the same as the "end of the world" so many people were nervous and anxious over nothing!
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#2 - 2012-12-27 02:33:20 UTC
right, and yeah the full aggro thing as well. made a difference to people who weren't used to tanking full room aggro, and the people with drone issues never divulged their skills and were maybe doing things like releasing drones prematurely/before full room aggro

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sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-12-27 02:47:06 UTC  |  Edited by: sabre906
Equinox Spider wrote:
A few people seem to be uber scared, such as myself, doing missions with reading whats on the forums. I super tanked my maelstrom in fear of loosing it, and infact i haven't noticed any difference.
I took 15 hobgoblin II with me, and in around 15 missions, i still have the same 15 drones that i started with. So far ive only seen them targeted 3 times, and i only use them on frigs that get too close, apart from that my AC's shred everything like it always has.

It seems like the hysteria created was the same as the "end of the world" so many people were nervous and anxious over nothing!


NPC aggro drones according to size. The normal frig rats that aggro your light drones are weak, don't do dps, and are easily killed. Interestingly, elite frigs, which pose some threat, don't aggro light drones, but meds, a size larger.

Droneboats need drones for dps, they can't use lights which will take all 5 slots. Their heavies and sentries get aggro from all rats.

In other news, I saw this guy get ran over by a truck the other day. It's nothing for me, but certainly "end of the world" for him.Lol
Equinox Spider
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-12-27 13:06:50 UTC
sabre906 wrote:
Equinox Spider wrote:
A few people seem to be uber scared, such as myself, doing missions with reading whats on the forums. I super tanked my maelstrom in fear of loosing it, and infact i haven't noticed any difference.
I took 15 hobgoblin II with me, and in around 15 missions, i still have the same 15 drones that i started with. So far ive only seen them targeted 3 times, and i only use them on frigs that get too close, apart from that my AC's shred everything like it always has.

It seems like the hysteria created was the same as the "end of the world" so many people were nervous and anxious over nothing!


NPC aggro drones according to size. The normal frig rats that aggro your light drones are weak, don't do dps, and are easily killed. Interestingly, elite frigs, which pose some threat, don't aggro light drones, but meds, a size larger.

Droneboats need drones for dps, they can't use lights which will take all 5 slots. Their heavies and sentries get aggro from all rats.

In other news, I saw this guy get ran over by a truck the other day. It's nothing for me, but certainly "end of the world" for him.Lol


Well someone on here has posted links to himself doing a few missions in a dominix and had no issues, so yeah, maybe people might want to try it, he certainly had no issues!

Full room agro has also been fixed.
Funky Lazers
Funk Freakers
#5 - 2012-12-27 13:49:21 UTC
Equinox Spider wrote:
A few people seem to be uber scared, such as myself, doing missions with reading whats on the forums. I super tanked my maelstrom in fear of loosing it, and infact i haven't noticed any difference.
I took 15 hobgoblin II with me, and in around 15 missions, i still have the same 15 drones that i started with. So far ive only seen them targeted 3 times, and i only use them on frigs that get too close, apart from that my AC's shred everything like it always has.

It seems like the hysteria created was the same as the "end of the world" so many people were nervous and anxious over nothing!


C'mon man, I said it already. Nothing is harder now. Just more bugs.
The only thing changed is your light drones die like flys. Sometimes you can return them back and sometimes you just can't because they are being webbed and stuff.

The only change I see is now missions became more frustrating with overuse of TDs, other EWAR and drone death.

Whatever.
Ginger Barbarella
#6 - 2012-12-27 14:01:07 UTC
I can't really notice a difference, either. *shrug* Maybe the Easy Buttoneers are having fits on their AFK boats...

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Rengerel en Distel
#7 - 2012-12-27 14:26:07 UTC
Did we really need another thread about this?

Drone boats get the hit harder than boats that use drones:
Drone boats that can use sentries take a far lesser hit.
Drone boats that use heavies take a far bigger hit.
If you send lights at frigs < 10km, you can generally get them back before they die.
In some missions, the rats switch quicker/more often than other missions, so YMMV.
Younger pilots also get hit harder because they don't have the support skills, and they're in boats that can't use sentries.


With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
Fractal Muse
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2012-12-27 15:45:48 UTC
Rengerel en Distel wrote:

Younger pilots also get hit harder because they don't have the support skills, and they're in boats that can't use sentries.

Not entirely accurate.

New players will just learn the new system without having to unlearn old habits.

For them, having to watch their drones and micromanage them will be the way to go. They'll learn, immediately, that using something like a target painter will be beneficial and they will never get 'hit hard' for it.

The only people who got 'hit hard' are people who are set in their ways and refuse to adapt. They look for problems and force the problem to happen just to prove their point.

At this time there have been many ways shown on how to prevent drones from being exploded in missions - all missions - but some drone pilots are so bent on proving that they are 'nerfed' that they are doing what they can to have their drones blow up.
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-12-27 18:03:48 UTC
Fractal Muse wrote:
Rengerel en Distel wrote:

Younger pilots also get hit harder because they don't have the support skills, and they're in boats that can't use sentries.

Not entirely accurate.

New players will just learn the new system without having to unlearn old habits.

For them, having to watch their drones and micromanage them will be the way to go. They'll learn, immediately, that using something like a target painter will be beneficial and they will never get 'hit hard' for it.

The only people who got 'hit hard' are people who are set in their ways and refuse to adapt. They look for problems and force the problem to happen just to prove their point.

At this time there have been many ways shown on how to prevent drones from being exploded in missions - all missions - but some drone pilots are so bent on proving that they are 'nerfed' that they are doing what they can to have their drones blow up.


These people fumbling with the clumsy drone interface while their drones die, then get popped when they're out of drones for these scraming frig rats, are the noobs. Do you really think Eve interface is so intuitive, learning curve so flat, that it's the vets and not noobs that "get hit hard" for this kind of things?Roll
Hulk Miner
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-12-27 18:53:28 UTC
Yet another drone thread.

I really cant see what the problem is, as a PVE player since I started nearly 8 years ago I have wanted a more challenging experience in missions for ages and now it is here. Embrace adapt and continue to mission as you did before apart from AFK machines nobody else seems to have a problem.

As a projectile and missile spammer who has always perma tanked due to kid aggro at any time during eve play I have not noticed so I logged my even older alt whos a drone machine and quickly bought this setup in Jita to try and see what the fuss was about.

[Rattlesnake, scorts mission boat]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 400
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
100MN Afterburner II
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Drone Link Augmentor II
Drone Link Augmentor II

Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Large Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Large Processor Overclocking Unit I


Garde II x5
Warden II x5
Curator II x5
Hobgoblin II x5


I threw in a few hobs just in case and ran around 10 missions, even throwing the hobs out for a few frigs on 1 mission. Warp in, drop sentry drones and attack. I had to recall sentry drones once, lights did not draw aggro from frigs when deployed.


Anyhow, back to my tengu I go which is now fitted with HAMS now as I adapted to the changes and now fly around instead of sitting at the warpin beacon. quicker or not its seems better play style in missions.


And to the new players who are starting out in missions with a drone boat, keep going as they are still as good.

careBear out
Rengerel en Distel
#11 - 2012-12-27 20:34:18 UTC
Fractal Muse wrote:
Rengerel en Distel wrote:

Younger pilots also get hit harder because they don't have the support skills, and they're in boats that can't use sentries.

Not entirely accurate.

New players will just learn the new system without having to unlearn old habits.

For them, having to watch their drones and micromanage them will be the way to go. They'll learn, immediately, that using something like a target painter will be beneficial and they will never get 'hit hard' for it.

The only people who got 'hit hard' are people who are set in their ways and refuse to adapt. They look for problems and force the problem to happen just to prove their point.

At this time there have been many ways shown on how to prevent drones from being exploded in missions - all missions - but some drone pilots are so bent on proving that they are 'nerfed' that they are doing what they can to have their drones blow up.


I fly a drone boat with a TP. It does nothing to keep aggro on the drone boat. RR is the only thing i've found for sure that keeps aggro, which means the AFK drone boats don't have to change at all. I personally haven't lost a drone, only had a couple get into armor in 60+ missions. I did actually test the changes on the test server though, and can say that lower missions were harder because of drone aggro. That was as someone who knew to expect the switches, how to counter it, etc. and it was still an issue.

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#12 - 2012-12-28 02:36:50 UTC
they toned it down.

When drone changes went live, Day 1 on my mining alt, the drones where getting targeted 90% of the time.

Right now, they dont care about my drones any more, they just keep attacking same old boring manor.

My mission running alt hasnt seen much problem, the rats got a little stronger, but not enough to shake my pally char
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-12-28 02:48:21 UTC
Equinox Spider wrote:
I took 15 hobgoblin II with me, and in around 15 missions, i still have the same 15 drones that i started with.


They changed it so only elite frigs (maybe also cruisers) target light drones, as long as you stick to light drones and play alone there is no noticeable difference between the new and old ai.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Fractal Muse
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2012-12-28 15:13:17 UTC
sabre906 wrote:

These people fumbling with the clumsy drone interface while their drones die, then get popped when they're out of drones for these scraming frig rats, are the noobs. Do you really think Eve interface is so intuitive, learning curve so flat, that it's the vets and not noobs that "get hit hard" for this kind of things?Roll

The drone interface is a different issue than drone aggression.

The interface definitely needs fixing (like many other aspects of EVE's interface needs fixing) but for a new player they aren't getting 'hit hard' because they didn't have anything to begin with.

Is using a drone boat more complicated now? Yes, it is.

Does a new player get affected by that? Yes, they do.

But, does a new user get 'hit hard' by the change? Not at all. They won't know the difference so, for them, this is how one plays a drone boat. They will figure out what works best and go from there.

Drone boats are still a viable weapons platform. People who fly them have just had to alter (adapt) how they fly to be successful. New players will simply learn the new way of flying them and will be successful.
Unoob Udumb
Doomheim
#15 - 2012-12-28 15:41:46 UTC
sabre906 wrote:
Interestingly, elite frigs, which pose some threat, don't aggro light drones, but meds, a size larger.


Wrong.

Quote:
If you send lights at frigs < 10km, you can generally get them back before they die.


Not if said frigates web one of your drones, which is often the case.