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Our Christmas present to FW

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Dan Carter Murray
#141 - 2012-12-26 20:55:39 UTC
wait so let me get this straight:

1. people don't want to offensive plex because it makes them too much isk and also forces people to fight them if they are plexing in the right system? ("right system" = where someone lives)
2. plexing is boring and if you don't get a fight you get LP = isk and getting isk sucks?
3. spinning in a station makes you more LP and is more interesting than spinning around a button?
4. people don't want to use power of 2 to make dplexing alts and make millions of LP just by defensive plexing?

honestly just drop FW and go pirate if making isk and pvp offends you.

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Mutnin
SQUIDS.
#142 - 2012-12-26 21:33:52 UTC
Cory Braum wrote:


Then don't play FW you can still sit in low sec or go to NPC null and do meaningless pvp nothing is stopping you. fact is i get 100+ kills every month in FW running sites. and i don't have to spend hours doing it or need to find a blob to roam around. every time i log in i can find good small gang pvp right away. What i dont understand is why you keep wasting time here making forum post after forum post when you don't like nor participate in FW just move on.


If everyone just goes along with the broken system then CCP will never fix it and I still have hope they will realize the system is broken. You can't tell me their Sov War system isn't broken when 90% of the systems capture come with zero fighting involved. The current system is no better than their first try where we saw hoards of gunless ship everywhere.

The only places people fight for are home systems or high traffic areas like akadagi, but you don't need LP payouts for that. Remove the LP from the plexing and it takes the farmers out of the Sov War, then it becomes about PVP not who can attract the most ISK farmers.

Look I like easy ISK as much as anyone but not at the expense of breaking FW.. At least in the past the armies of mission farmers didn't determine where I could dock and where I can't.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#143 - 2012-12-26 22:06:28 UTC
Gallente and Minmatar are the good guys, though! Amarr are slave-holding religious fanatics, and Caldari are under the thumb of an oppresive, racist corporate tyrant! Aren't you guys happy that the democratic Federation and the brave underdog tribal Republic are winning?

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Juan Rayo
Justified Chaos
#144 - 2012-12-27 00:13:55 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Gallente and Minmatar are the good guys, though! Amarr are slave-holding religious fanatics, and Caldari are under the thumb of an oppresive, racist corporate tyrant! Aren't you guys happy that the democratic Federation and the brave underdog tribal Republic are winning?


Good guys? we have SOTF!
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#145 - 2012-12-27 00:48:51 UTC
Juan Rayo wrote:
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Gallente and Minmatar are the good guys, though! Amarr are slave-holding religious fanatics, and Caldari are under the thumb of an oppresive, racist corporate tyrant! Aren't you guys happy that the democratic Federation and the brave underdog tribal Republic are winning?


Good guys? we have SOTF!


Its good to be bad.

We ARE the good guys!
Juan Rayo
Justified Chaos
#146 - 2012-12-27 08:22:20 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Juan Rayo wrote:
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Gallente and Minmatar are the good guys, though! Amarr are slave-holding religious fanatics, and Caldari are under the thumb of an oppresive, racist corporate tyrant! Aren't you guys happy that the democratic Federation and the brave underdog tribal Republic are winning?


Good guys? we have SOTF!


Its good to be bad.

We ARE the good guys!


Damnit I wanted a good cop /bad cop vibe.
Dzajic
#147 - 2012-12-27 09:35:38 UTC
Offensive plexing in "system where someone lives" usually means fighting ships that have full Loki and Tengu links. Those are not good fights, those are not fun fights. In those cases you have to outnumber (or bring your own pos with your own links).
Cat Casidy
Percussive Diplomacy
Sedition.
#148 - 2012-12-27 11:06:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Cat Casidy
And then there were six. Templis just had a corp drop while we were working over rakapas. P

Dzajic wrote:
Offensive plexing in "system where someone lives" usually means fighting ships that have full Loki and Tengu links. Those are not good fights, those are not fun fights. In those cases you have to outnumber (or bring your own pos with your own links).


Uhm yep, so we did that, and have been murdering them all day.

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SAJUK NIGARRA
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#149 - 2012-12-27 13:33:15 UTC
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
#150 - 2012-12-27 14:25:00 UTC
SAJUK NIGARRA wrote:
This is how you plex



Looks no different from how you guys PVP.. 13 vs 3. I see now how you guys caught on to it so fast the lone NPC will not have a chance.. Big smile
Trendafil
Balkan Kings
Goonswarm Federation
#151 - 2012-12-27 14:31:36 UTC
SAJUK NIGARRA wrote:
This is how you plex


Day 37, plexers still don't know i am a Nyx
SAJUK NIGARRA
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#152 - 2012-12-27 18:33:23 UTC
In other news the number of carriers evaccing Rakapas already is hilarious.
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#153 - 2012-12-27 20:00:49 UTC
Dan Carter Murray wrote:
wait so let me get this straight:

1. people don't want to offensive plex because it makes them too much isk and also forces people to fight them if they are plexing in the right system? ("right system" = where someone lives)
2. plexing is boring and if you don't get a fight you get LP = isk and getting isk sucks?
3. spinning in a station makes you more LP and is more interesting than spinning around a button?
4. people don't want to use power of 2 to make dplexing alts and make millions of LP just by defensive plexing?

honestly just drop FW and go pirate if making isk and pvp offends you.



actually you make more isk by doing lvl4 highsec missions than doing attack plexes for caldari.
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#154 - 2012-12-27 21:09:36 UTC
So from an outsiders point of view itseems like the caldari are having the same issues as the amarr used to (and may still do, i havent really looked at the minni-amarr front for a while), lack of participation partially due to corps finding other things to do and partly because the old gaurd who still take any interest in FW are too busy sniping at each other and moaning about how the system is broken to actually try and help anyone stem the tide.

Pirates - The Invisible Fist of Darwin

you're welcome
Cat Casidy
Percussive Diplomacy
Sedition.
#155 - 2012-12-27 23:01:26 UTC
Pretty much.

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Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#156 - 2012-12-28 02:52:57 UTC
Darek Castigatus wrote:
So from an outsiders point of view itseems like the caldari are having the same issues as the amarr used to (and may still do, i havent really looked at the minni-amarr front for a while), lack of participation partially due to corps finding other things to do and partly because the old gaurd who still take any interest in FW are too busy sniping at each other and moaning about how the system is broken to actually try and help anyone stem the tide.


Caldari does not really have any issues, FW has issues, so when CCP manages to make FW that really works Caldari may again participate on full scale, now Caldari players are already focused to something else.

There is no point to play section of game that is totally broken, you sure can make isk in FW and you get some pvp in there, but trying to fight war is useless, war is over and farmville is on.

FW went totally broken when CCP started to listen carebears like ex CSM Ankh was.
Deacon Abox
Black Eagle5
#157 - 2012-12-28 07:10:33 UTC
Bad Messenger wrote:
Caldari does not really have any issues, FW has issues, so when CCP manages to make FW that really works Caldari may again participate on full scale, now Caldari players are already focused to something else.

There is no point to play section of game that is totally broken, you sure can make isk in FW and you get some pvp in there, but trying to fight war is useless, war is over and farmville is on.

FW went totally broken when CCP started to listen carebears like ex CSM Ankh was.

Lol, you have more farmers than Gallente. What you also have is a persecution complex. Try to shake that. Ah nevermind you are incapable of letting go of your paranoia.

There are plenty of fights. And the plexes are there to simply provide a venue other than gates and stations. Better imo, because you can fight in frigs and cruisers and recycle at less cost than nullsec wars with whatever fleet is flavor of the month.

CCP, there are off buttons for ship explosions, missile effects, turret effects, etc. "Immersion" does not seem to be harmed by those. So, [u]please[/u] give us a persisting off button for the jump gate and autoscan visuals.

X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#158 - 2012-12-28 07:32:18 UTC
Meanwhile in Rakapas....

A couple small fights

As my friend praz says: FW sucks, quit playing!
Thomas Gore
Blackfyre Enterprise
#159 - 2012-12-28 07:43:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Thomas Gore
X Gallentius wrote:
Meanwhile in Rakapas....

A couple small fights

As my friend praz says: FW sucks, quit playing!



That's a lot of Lokis...
Juan Rayo
Justified Chaos
#160 - 2012-12-28 08:19:30 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Meanwhile in Rakapas....

A couple small fights

As my friend praz says: FW sucks, quit playing!



You know, when I see in these forums people saying things like "caldari have moved on" or "Caldari are not bothering anymore" it pisses me off, because it´s a huge disrespect to those Caldari that ARE fighting all over the map.

I guess they haven´t gotten the memo.