EVE General Discussion

WiS was released before it was ready because CCP wanted a quick money injection, and a sharp increase in subscriptions.

It did not happened. They got a sharp drop in subscriptions instead.


Management would have done what they did even if there was no EVE-O forums. You fail at understanding.

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Exactly, after being promised this and this but got this, is anyone surprised people ended up really annoyed with CCP especially as it had taken so many resources away from the spaceship development in the process?

This refocus can't stay permanent. Its not a viable business decision. Development on Incarna and WoD WILL resume eventually. The hope is that that don't over-extend again, and instead maintain a full development staff on eve, while hiring full dev staff for WoD(which will end up completing Incarna). If they divert significant resources from Eve again, I think the company will crash and burn. If they build up to a second(and only one FULL development project, like DUST or WoD) project the right way, instead of being overly ambitious about what a limited staff can do in both areas, then they can succeed in expanding in the directions they want to.

If properly supported in this, they might even be able to bring back the 20%, but we have to be sure they stay on track with what the playerbase expects in terms of priorities. Nothing can have higher priority than Eve(equal priority is perfectly fine, ofc).

Now that CCP has realized their mistakes, it is time to stand back and support them, including an understanding of the business needs that drive the things they have to do while changing.

ok, so imagine you live in a rented house.

every month you pay your rent, and in return, your landlord comes along every 6 months or so and does some maintainance and maybe improves some aspects of the house. he upgrades to double glazing, he upgrades the insulation, he installs all kinds of fancy energy efficient appliances etc.

now, for quite some time you have been asking him to re-decorate the place, and to repair some small but annoying problems.

then, one day, he says that he is going to redecorate the house, but that he needs time to save up the money and get the stuff together to do it, so you happilly wait, while those small annoying problems get worse, but thats ok, because he fixes anything that actually becomes a major issue, and you know your going to be decorated soon, so you put up with it.

then, at long last, after 7 years of waiting, you get the promised redecoration, but whats this? you come home and open the door to find that a bunch of perfectly good furnature has been broken, none of the pre-redecoration stuff has been fixed, every room has been painted the same colour, when you ask about this you find out that there will be more colours coming eventually, and that the only reason you got painted in the first place is that the landlord has another house he is building, and he wanted to see what the paint would look like in the new place, so tried it out in yours. then, to add to that, you go into your living room and look out the window, only to find that he has painted over that too, so you cant enjoy the view you had before, and now have no choice but to look at the paint job he so very kindly had done.

you'd probably be pissed, right?

well, then, when you try to raise the issue with him, he ignores you completely. then you get a call from a friend who has just heard him down the pub talking about how you are a whiney little *****, how he things the paintjob is fantastic, and how he isnt going to take any notice of what you say, because you wont actually do anything.

you'd definately be pissed then right?

thats kinda what the whole incana thing was to me, i waited 7 years for some stuff to be fixed, in that time alot of decent stuff got broken, so i waited again for that broken stuff to be fixed, and somewhere in there was this idea that i would get ambulation, but it was just something that would be cool, not something that would be nessecarry. then i have 2 years of nothing whatsoever, and eventually i get the ****** version of the "cool" ambulation, which it turns out was a beta for another game all together, which runs like **** on a rig that will run the space part of the game perfectly, all of which i could have forgiven, if it wasnt for the fact that people had been saying for ages that the test server had all of these problems and ccp totally ignored them. then, to add to all of that, we get a response from CCP saying we shoud stfu because we all wear $1000 dollar jeans, and a bunch of leaked stuff about how we should all quit or stfu.

In my eyes, that is what caused all the issues, not the content or lack there of, not the issues arising in the patch, but the total lack of comunitaction skills.

and maybe, just maybe, there were only a small "vocal minority" or "self appointed elite" talking on the forums, because a crapton of people agreed with them, and, just like me, saw no need to cloud the issue with more rabble rabble rabble?

the fact is that CCP ****** up, they drastically changed their own behaviour from what we had come to expect from them, and the trust that we had built up over years was burned to the ground. Now they have accepted this and admitted their mistakes, and are well on the way to making amends, and people are bitching because content which has existed for a matter of months is taking a back burner to things which have needed fixing for years? explain that?

Large Collidable Object, this reply isn't directed just towards you, it's for everyone.

Funny how when someone says they liked the idea of WiS and Incarna, they're all of a sudden branded as a station sitting Barbie hugging noob.

For almost 3 1/2 years I've been a very active member of this community and have contributed a lot of Exploration and Cosmos info to the Evelopedia..I've completed countless missions achieving over +5.00 standing with almost all Empire Factions. I also created a standings repair guide that's been greatly accepted by the Eve Community. Hell, ever since I started playing this game I've practically lived in my spaceship 23/7.

I already know all about the different problems, bugs, rushed deployment, lack of content, failed PR, bla bla bla associated with the Expansion release so please don't even bother.

Talking down to me while trying to make yourself look superior doesn't change the fact that the mass unsubs were directly influenced and encouraged by Forum rage posting. There were tons of threads constantly being posted telling players to unsub. All started by a small group of players who even now continue to be the fuel keeping the rage fire burning.

No subscriptions = no money = no CCP = no Eve

FYI - I turned off CQ a few days after it's release due to all the problems. Doesn't mean I didn't like it nor do I want it removed from the game. I want to see it fully developed and integrated into Eve. I believe it has endless possibility's for adding lot's more depth and variety to game play. I've watched the CCP Videos with Dev's giving progress updates and demonstrations about Incarna and Dust.

Maybe I'm wrong but this is what I got from watching all those video demonstrations and interviews:

Incarna is a visionary step to turn a PC mmo spaceship simulation into a real time based sci-fi virtual reality.
Dust is a visionary step to turn a Console mmo FPS simulation into a real time based sci-fi virtual reality.
Joining these two totally different control applications together to work simultaneously would transform Eve Online into the ultimate real time based sci-fi virtual reality universe.

This should usher in a whole new era and revolutionize the gaming world as we know it.

As for new game play content, here's a couple of scenarios.

While in your Captains Quarters, an alarm activates informing you an invasion force has attacked and captured a PI facility on one of your planets. You call up the Dust Commander and inform him to meet you in the war room of the Planetary Command Center to plan a counter attack and regain control. In the war room are 3-D visual maps of the Planet, the PI facility's and surrounding areas. You both examine the maps, verify the enemy position and mark the drop zones for supplies. After forming a plan of attack, you load the supplies into your ship while the Dust Commander rejoins his team who are waiting at the 1st drop zone.

With the supplies loaded in your ship, you travel to the planet, enter into atmospheric flight and drop the supplies at the 1st drop zone. While en-route back to the station, you encounter a small blockade of enemy player ships. You make a call to your corporation and are quickly joined by a couple of Fleet mates. Small gang PvP combat starts happening in space while the ground forces engage each other.

As the battle in space continues, you receive a call from the Dust Commander requesting supplies to be dropped at the 2nd drop zone. You and your Fleet mates have almost killed all enemy player ships when more enemy player ships warp in and you find yourself locked and tackled. Dust Commander contacts you again saying they need those supplies now.

or

You log into the game with the sound of alarms going off in your Captains Quarters. The main viewscreen informs you that the station is under Security Lockdown (no docking or undocking) due to an Invasion force (Sansha?). You and other players trapped inside the station must go deck by deck, seeking out and killing all invaders encountered. Players must make their way to the Central Command Center to deactivate the Security Lockdown allowing access to the docking bay. Question is: What will you do? Do you attempt this solo? Create a gang with other players for tactical combat and support? Stay inside your Captains Quarters and hope somebody else deactivates the Security Lockdown?


There are many different game play possibility's that could happen. I for one hope and pray that CCP is successful in making their dream a reality for us to enjoy. I wanna be able to say - Eve is Real.

I guess it will be even longer till I can purchase $1000 jeans for my avatar. Are there Japanese boutiques in space?

Are you allowed to call a thread a threadnaught before it becomes one? What does the EULA have tyo say on this :)

Well said, Vyl.

Leave it to CCP to go overboard like this! Either they ignore the community completely, or they totally cave to a small, but vocal minority (to paraphrase my favorite space Captain: "That sounds like CCP: unite all the planets under one rule, so that everybody can be interfered with or ignored equally.")

It's me. I'm the "I hate Incarna" faction.