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Fixing the War Dec system.

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BYRAN BRASSBALLS
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-11-27 13:16:53 UTC
Some assclown declares war hoping to catch a noob in iteron or poorly fitted ship. The pilot in a one to five man corp He is in his proteus and giggles like a school girl at his "kill." Hell I have two accounts I could easily mine on one account with war targets listed and when they log on, switch to my PVP guy and whammo, noob kills! I could do the same thing but I have the courage to fight against people who can defend themselves. The defenders really have no chance to punish the type of aggressor.

Here is how you fix it. To declare war one must do it from a POS. This give the aggressor something to defend. ( Blow up the deathstar and the war is over, I heard that before. Did that happened in Jovian space?? ) War could be a great fun thing if CCP could make this minor change. As it stands now the poor newer player after getting thumped usually logs off and waits out his timers. When that subscription bill arrives she/he says is eve really worth it?? Hey CCP in the long run this will make you money! Suddenly now a group tech one ships are a threat to these "puddle" pirates killbord!
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#2 - 2012-11-27 14:55:49 UTC
BYRAN BRASSBALLS wrote:
Some assclown declares war hoping to catch a noob in iteron or poorly fitted ship. The pilot in a one to five man corp He is in his proteus and giggles like a school girl at his "kill." Hell I have two accounts I could easily mine on one account with war targets listed and when they log on, switch to my PVP guy and whammo, noob kills! I could do the same thing but I have the courage to fight against people who can defend themselves. The defenders really have no chance to punish the type of aggressor.

Here is how you fix it. To declare war one must do it from a POS. This give the aggressor something to defend. ( Blow up the deathstar and the war is over, I heard that before. Did that happened in Jovian space?? ) War could be a great fun thing if CCP could make this minor change. As it stands now the poor newer player after getting thumped usually logs off and waits out his timers. When that subscription bill arrives she/he says is eve really worth it?? Hey CCP in the long run this will make you money! Suddenly now a group tech one ships are a threat to these "puddle" pirates killbord!


They could, um, I dunno, shoot back at at him? Just a thought. Even easier if the aggressor is in a corp with only a handful of players.
BYRAN BRASSBALLS
Doomheim
#3 - 2012-11-27 19:02:30 UTC
You are kidding me right? When numbers are wrong they log. It is simply a cheap kill system. No plan, no stradagy, and certainly zero fun. It certainly does not promote wide spread fighting in the eve universe. I
Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#4 - 2012-11-27 20:10:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Destination SkillQueue
BYRAN BRASSBALLS wrote:
You are kidding me right? When numbers are wrong they log. It is simply a cheap kill system. No plan, no stradagy, and certainly zero fun. It certainly does not promote wide spread fighting in the eve universe. I


So stay in groups and they'll always log, since they're afraid to fight according to you. Just a bit of added security precautions and you can continue to play as normal. Or are you complaining that they select their targets instead of blindly suiciding their ships against a superior force? That's not a problem, that's called being smart.
BYRAN BRASSBALLS
Doomheim
#5 - 2012-11-28 06:03:12 UTC
Well yes I do understand the concept of attacking when odds are in your favor. No I am expecting " Suicide attacks! " by the aggessor! I hope you do not think I am some kind of idiot here. My point is the aggessor holds all the cards in the current EVE war set up. They have nothing to defend. How do you put pressure on a very small corp??? All I am suggesting is give the non PVP pros something to swing at!!! The aggesor is reducing the income of industral players. ( Part of the game fine. ) What are the industral player to do. Throw ships at them in a vain suicide attack? ? How is that working. 99% of industrals log off and give world of Tanks a work out. Some of the most epic battles in human history happen when two groups fight to capture or defend something. Why does Eve expect a different outcome??? In my opinion true PVP professinals would love to defend a POS in low sec preying a bunch of tech one ships attack them???
Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-12-26 01:13:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Psychotic Monk
If your corp can't survive against a simple wardec, why did you make a corp in the first place?

Listen, I've done the dec thing a ton, so let me shed a bit of light, yeah? We'll look at this a couple of different ways.

1) You have the mechanics to completely avoid the war. You can drop corp for the duration or even completely disband and reform your corp, completely avoiding the dec. For most of the last year you had several flavours of Dec Scrape or Dec Shield you could have run to, and that seemed to be fully CCP supported. I'm sure another will pop up shortly.

2) You can hire people to handle this for you. You say you're all industrialists, so you should have some money, yes? There's a thriving mercenary industry. If you can't afford mercs then you're ****-poor industrialists.

3) You *can* fight back. With few exceptions, target corps far outnumber deccing corps. Possibly you don't have many skills, but it takes not very much time to train into decent t1 cruisers with which you would seriously outnumber and very probably crush your opponent.

4) You can use the very same tools the aggressor uses to avoid him. You can know where he is therefore when he's in any kind of position to be a threat to you. Your aggressor certainly did his legwork and uses that intel to his advantage, why can't you?

If none of these options work for you, then perhaps you're just not ready to be a corp. Maybe consider merging with someone better able to protect you. Starting a corp isn't an inherent right.

Edit: I just noticed I did serious thread necromancy. Sorry about that, everyone.

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Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-12-26 12:01:18 UTC
You consented to PvP when you logged in, I don't see why you have a problem with it now.

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Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-12-26 12:03:30 UTC
Also, I'll declare war a 5-man highsec corp from a POS in the depths of Deklein, I'm sure they'll flock to destroy it in their mining barges and ravens.

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#9 - 2012-12-27 14:26:29 UTC
Psychotic Monk wrote:

3) You *can* fight back. With few exceptions, target corps far outnumber deccing corps. Possibly you don't have many skills, but it takes not very much time to train into decent t1 cruisers with which you would seriously outnumber and very probably crush your opponent...


Particularly now that T1 cruisers are so much better than they were.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

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Dyvim Slorm
Coven of the Morrigan
#10 - 2012-12-28 19:36:02 UTC
I don't see how a POS would work, most small noob or indy corps wouldn't have the skill or wherewithal to take one down.

Get a load of frigs and have some fun fighting or use one of the other suggestions by Psychotic Monk above.
Cyprus Black
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-01-13 05:54:50 UTC
Why does this thread exist? It's not a legitimate issue.

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Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-01-16 07:52:28 UTC
BYRAN BRASSBALLS wrote:
Some assclown declares war hoping to catch a noob in iteron or poorly fitted ship.
You need to change your character's surname. I feel it is inappropriate given this post you've written.
Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-01-17 06:58:19 UTC
Cyprus Black wrote:
Why does this thread exist? It's not a legitimate issue.


Despite it not being a legitimate issue, he is entitled to his views.

Now, supposing for just a moment, that it is a legitimate problem (Which I maintain that it is not),

control towers are absolutely the wrong approach. The 'can't fight back, cant defend themselves' 1-5 man corps will have absolutely no hope in hell of attacking a wardec corp's death star, and so they will be stuck at square one. This is an unrealistic objective.
BYRAN BRASSBALLS
Doomheim
#14 - 2013-02-05 19:35:46 UTC
Look Fellas. All I know is the War Dec system does not work. All i have done is look at History. The seige at Stalingrad, The battle at Gettyburg, The Battle of the little bighorn. These are epic fights. Something EVE is missing. All I know is war is a non factor.
Da Dom
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2013-02-06 14:13:23 UTC
BYRAN BRASSBALLS wrote:
When that subscription bill arrives she/he says is eve really worth it??


Not untill it matches life my friend...

(We acquire the strength we have overcome.)

Or it get's more intense...

Because Far-que... That's why.