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YC113: Matari Christmas EVE Massacre - Over 2000 Slaves Murdered :(

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Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#21 - 2012-12-25 20:26:20 UTC
Hello, you may have missed my announcement on this Summit. However, the next time you want to set up the Minmatar into killing a couple thousand of their own people, please contact me first. Not only will the story be more believable, but I will help you handle the PR.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.
Kraven Fawkes
Fawkes Dynamics Surveillance and Security Firm
#22 - 2012-12-25 21:57:22 UTC
Alizabeth Vea wrote:
Hello, you may have missed my announcement on this Summit. However, the next time you want to set up the Minmatar into killing a couple thousand of their own people, please contact me first. Not only will the story be more believable, but I will help you handle the PR.



While I am not a huge fan of what Ms. Vea offers as a service, in the future perhaps using a professional "spin doctor" would serve you well as opposed to leaving it to someone who fumbled so badly at a frame job.
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#23 - 2012-12-25 22:32:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Katran Luftschreck
Psychological Experiment: Put 2184 Matari in a ship with 1 Amarrian at the helm.

First Question: Would a Republic terrorist kill over two thousand of his own kinsman just to get to the one Amarrian?

Answer: See OP.


Q: Which does the Republic value more; freeing the Matari people, or killing Amarrians? Or to put it another way, are they more motivated by love or hate?

A: Hate... by a factor of 2184.


I am Kat's utter lack of surprise.

I am not surprised that they would do this. I am even less surprised that they'd try to shift the blame back onto the very same Amarrians who were trying release those slaves from bondage. Truth be told, if an Republican on Pator gets hooked on gambling, starts snorting crash and finds his wife ran off with a Gallente poet... he will wave his fist in the air and blame it all on the Amarrians.

The Amarr don't believe in a devil, but the Republic certainly does. They drill the idea of the Amarrian boogey-man into their heads before they learn to walk, so it's no surprise that blaming the Amarr for every little problem that they face in life is a literal reflex action for them. Every misfortune, every failure, every pointless death - yep, all the Amarr's fault. Your buddy flies a kamikaze ship into an Amarrian passenger liner and you'd blame the Amarr for building the passenger liner which so unjustly took your poor friend's life. Oh you poor little victim you.

It's such a crock of crap that there is no point in even arguing against it. It's a social psychosis, perpetuated by their own junta and they're quite happy with being able to blame all their woes on someone else. After all, it absolves them of any sense of responsibility for their actions - which is important when you're doing things like, oh I dunno, blowing up a transport ship with 2185 innocent people onboard.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0
Los Muertas
HDYLTA
#24 - 2012-12-25 22:42:23 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
A lot of words that demonstrate a lack of reading comprehension.


It has been clearly shown that this was a frame job, and while I will be the first Minmatar here to acknowledge that more often then not my kinsmen have a terrible tendency to act before thinking, you and the OP have proven that your ilk have a tendency to murder and try and, as is usual, place the blame elsewhere.

Thesis on Tribal Traditionalism
Pinky Feldman
Amarrian Vengeance
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#25 - 2012-12-25 22:44:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Pinky Feldman
Streya Jormagdnir wrote:
Pinky Feldman wrote:

The hubris was not the assumption that our superior morals would protect us, rather the assumption that the Matari would not murder their own people, the assumption that when someone strolls up to your front door in a lightly armed escort fleet bearing a white flag they do not have hostile intentions.


And you assume further that the actions of a few capsuleers reflect the mindset of an entire people. The actions of U'K reflect only upon U'K. Pure and simple. I know as a fact and will vouch for Electus Matari as an appropriate organization for turning freed slaves over to. They take care of them, rehabilitate them, and so on and so forth. While I won't bash against U'K in this thread, I know Electus Matari has a very proud track history that can be trusted. One does not do business with an organization possessing relatively unknown intentions, but rather with a well-established organization.

And that is how you avoid these sorts of things in the future. Happy?


I purely understand that the actions of few do not reflect the actions of the whole and have specifically said that in previous postings. In fact, they brought us sincere gifts and reparations shortly after the tragedy occured, yet before this post. In fact, I spoke to many of them on voice comms afterwards and we both lamented that it was neither side's finest hour. I believe there are more good people on both sides than there are bad, however, as many of us know, all it takes is a select and vocal few to ruin things for the whole.

I appreciate, the contact information about E'M and will seek to contact them in the future, however, instead of making criticisms for the Amarr not doing more, perhaps it would be in order for the Minmatar to meet somewhere in the middle and you could have the group you vouch so strongly for get in contact with me.

If this thread came across as a propaganda post, I would like to apologize for that as it was written in the heat of disappointment and anguish and many of the comments were in response to inflammatory replies. If there is anything I want this post to stand for its the importance of communication on BOTH sides in order to improve relations, and while there are lessons to be learned on our part, the massacre would only truly be a wasteful tragedy if the Matar did not also learn from this sad occurance.

The moar you cry the less you pee
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#26 - 2012-12-25 23:19:22 UTC
Los Muertas wrote:
I suffer from delusions intelligence


See? I can play that game too.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0
Los Muertas
HDYLTA
#27 - 2012-12-25 23:34:50 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Los Muertas wrote:
I suffer from delusions intelligence


See? I can play that game too.


Yes...but not very well.

Thesis on Tribal Traditionalism
Flyingleanpocket
Amarrian Vengeance
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#28 - 2012-12-26 03:46:29 UTC
Provi full of slaves incoming.
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ISD Alliance
#29 - 2012-12-26 04:07:24 UTC
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Stalking Mantis
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#30 - 2012-12-26 10:40:48 UTC
If our counter parts from Ushra' Khan cannot live up to their own motto of 'we come for our people'......

Then Might I suggest the Amarr 'liberate' the people of the UK home system of Isbrabata.

Something along the lines of what TEST alliance did for OWN alliance not to long ago.

If the UK are killing the people they 'came for' then the Amarr should organize a 'We Come For Your People' campaign.

My two isk.

Amarr Liason Officer Extraordinare -->Check Out Amarrian Vengeance/Amarr FW History from 2011 to 2014 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=352629&find=unread
Stalking Mantis
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#31 - 2012-12-26 10:48:43 UTC
In fact and further to my above post I suggest high level talks should begin among the top Amarr corps to kickstart a relief program for the people of Isbrabata.

Whereby much needed supplies of food, tools and medicine (not to mention some copies of Pax Amarr) are delivered to the oppressed people of Israbata that currently reel under the rule of dual faced terrorists. Terrorist that speak one thing and do another.

No 'freedom fighter' would kill the people he seeks to 'free'.

More on this after further discussions with the Amarrian consul.

Amarr Liason Officer Extraordinare -->Check Out Amarrian Vengeance/Amarr FW History from 2011 to 2014 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=352629&find=unread
Stalking Mantis
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#32 - 2012-12-26 10:52:39 UTC
Flyingleanpocket wrote:
Provi full of slaves incoming.


Indeed

Amarr Liason Officer Extraordinare -->Check Out Amarrian Vengeance/Amarr FW History from 2011 to 2014 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=352629&find=unread
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#33 - 2012-12-29 10:24:33 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
The Amarr don't believe in a devil, but the Republic certainly does.


Los Muertas wrote:
It has been clearly shown that this was a frame job


I rest my case.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0
Amun Khonsu
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#34 - 2013-01-19 13:48:19 UTC
Stalking Mantis wrote:
If our counter parts from Ushra' Khan cannot live up to their own motto of 'we come for our people'......

Then Might I suggest the Amarr 'liberate' the people of the UK home system of Isbrabata.

Something along the lines of what TEST alliance did for OWN alliance not to long ago.

If the UK are killing the people they 'came for' then the Amarr should organize a 'We Come For Your People' campaign.

My two isk.


^ Signed.

After you are done, you should try to save fortress Kamela from us.

Fight them until turmoil is no more and strike terror into their hearts. www.ross-fw.net
Amun Khonsu
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#35 - 2013-01-19 13:50:31 UTC
kraiklyn Asatru wrote:
On behalf of the Matari, I would like to formally declare that these are all Lies! It is an outrage!
The Matari group delivering necessary Christmas supplies to Egghelende were fired upon unprovoked!
Luckily we managed to jettison our essential supplies prior to the unwanted destruction visited upon my ship by an Amarrian Loki! This was just another massacre initiated by the Amarr in an attempt to create negative publicity.



Who made you spokesmen for us?

Fight them until turmoil is no more and strike terror into their hearts. www.ross-fw.net
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