Player Features and Ideas Discussion

the problem here is that many people in npc corps dont see any advantages to gain by leaving.
quite a lot of them are in npc corps because they got into a war or three they didnt want to fight, and bailed into npc corps because they dont find it fun to be in a war

nerfing existing content will just make people angry, and more importantly, will probably not work all that well to the desired goal

to get people to leave, they have to see some potential gain by joining,
most npc corp people i talk to, DO NOT see that gain
they see player corps as added risk, with no extra gain
nasty nerfs wont really work because that will make people leave the game rather then the npc corp

aside from cowards, a lot of people are in npc corps because they dont have friends in player corps
what would really be needed, is if some new gameplay mechanic, would be only for player corps, for example, agent missions, that are not available to people in npc corps

something like special group missions, like a corporation, could accept a mission, and then the people in the corp had some objectives, which would mabey require more then one person to do

mabey make a corp lounge area for the stations, so to not be the only person you ever see in a station, you need to be in a player corp

things like that would help a lot more then taxes and restrictions i bet :)

Are people still killing miners? Gotta buff those again, maybe try add an extra 50% EHP on them.

Funky titles to go with monocles sounds like a good step to the future.

The struggle against nerfing NPC Corps in any fashion is because of the backlash of course. Yet adding better pay missions outside of NPC corps or other benefits by needlessly increases isk flow is a bad idea. Anyway those still doing older missions in NPC corps are still making less than player corps. Not just because of tax but because of the isk inflation. Nerfing npc corps is just the same as buffing everything not NPC corp. Its not missions though that are the problem with NPC corps, they get a dandy tax against all income from that action. The beef is not about people getting tired of wardecs and need an escape. That seems perfectly reasonable, but it has also doubled as the go to empire miner corp and not being used as intended.

You don't need to fake buff ships and then give bounties to make it profitable again, it's one step forward, two back. Doesn't change absolutely nothing about bots, despite some fervent defenders, but once again changes on the number of people willing to spend money in some game where they can't have fun, and this admit it or not, is an argument of balance because you can have as many alts as you wish but the real content is real players, not a guy playing alone in his own server with an army of alts.

NPC corps have 11% tax, players in have no access to specific facilities or advantages you can have in a player run corporation except can't be wardec.

If player run corporations and alliances are that unattractive then it's about time for their leaders to stop complaining/flying funky officer fit stuff and make sort their corp becomes more attractive??
Remember it's a player driven content and then you'll figure out the major problem is how bad many players are to create attractive content for other players.



Good news, use bounty system and gank NPC players for profit. Problem solved, if there really is or ever was some problem with NPC corps.

So get players out of npc corp but make it harder to make player corps? You've been drinking too much eggnog.

Why would you put a bounty on a freighter pilot when all you need is 7/8 Talos+2/3 brutix T2 fitted?

A lot of us have alt in NPC corp for running mission or other useful things like an alt used for price check in Jita/hek/Amarr. I have an alt in perkone (perkone corp best corp) for running lv4 in Shuria and chatting with the others corp members.

The "running away from wardec" is stupid. Anyone can create his 1 toon corp and never be wardecced ever and if he is, can simply close the corp and make a new one.

well, true, alt use of npc corps has always been a bit of a problem, although that specifically is related to most people dont actually make money in pvp, and need some place to retreat to, that i have no clue how to fix
the problem with the empire mining retreat that some do, is that when someone clearly wins a war, someone lost.. and that loosing party needs to recover and rebuild somehow.
and if the winner is stubborn and keeps them in a war, then they need to bail, or alt, to be able to continue actually play the game.. that i'm not sure can be fixed

obviously group missions shouldn't directly pay more, we don't need inflation, i meant they should be more complex, more challenging, things like that..

lastly there is a difference between nerfing one thing and buffing everything but that thing, the problem is that nerfs tend to make people angry..

Time to make some bold assumptions.. because apparently everyone not in an NPC corp is an evil, terrible human being and a griefer..

The majority of players in NPC corps are bot miners, bot traders, bot mission runners, and afk freight runners.

Anyone that strongly opposes negative changes to NPC corp hiding is a kingpin, or at the very least, utalizes above actions.

The accuracy of my assumptions is close enough to warrent both a change to NPC corp hugging, and dec-dodging.

Thing about EVE playerbase.. unlike the rest of the MMOs.. instead of crying for the company to fix the problem and make it go away with no effort provded by the community, EVE players just want the tools to be able to handle these serious problems themselves. Because such.. or atleast, should be possible within the Universe of EVE.

Now.. quote my thread, and ramble on about how 'yada-yada' arguement about not wanting other player interaction effecting my 'so-n-so' preferred playstyle should be allowed.. so I, and others, can tell you that you did infact pick the wrong game to play and have zero idea what the foundation of EVE truly is. ----> STO is that way if you want safety-net spaceship pew-pew. Otherwise.. the reality is, what people are protecting is risk-free Botting. It's a fact.. the ultimate fact behind NPC corps and dec-dodging.