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NPC Corps - Time for a change?

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Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#1 - 2012-12-25 18:43:17 UTC
Stolen from Natsett Amuinn's post...

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The "wider game" is what Soundwave is talking about when he says:
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NPC corporations are meant to be temporary spaces where people can go about their daily activities while searching for a player corporation. Currently the level of comfort they provide, both in terms of war declaration immunity and 0% tax, give them an inherent advantage over player corporations which was never intended. Hopefully, this will let player corporations compete on equal footing with NPC corporations.

We would prefer that players join player corporations, or other entities that shape the world of EVE at a higher degree than the NPC corporations do, due to their impersonal and somewhat isolated role. That said, this change is not implemented to “destroy” NPC corps, they should be considered a small motivation to join a player corporation, where you can develop and flourish as a player.


NPC corps aren't being used for their intended purpose. They're being exploited for the increased safety with no penalty.


What with the changes made in Retribution I think it's high time that NPC corporations are reconsidered since they do not fit with the general flow of player activity intended by CCP.

(ಠ_ృ) ~ It Takes a Million Years to Become Diamonds So Lets Just Burn Like Coal Until the Sky's Black ~ (ಠ_ృ)

Hannah Flex
#2 - 2012-12-25 18:52:25 UTC
Tax ALL income of an NPC corp player by 50%

That'll get 'em out. Sure they'll just make their own 1 man corp and continue playing MMO's solo but at least you could wardec them for their shitposting on EVE-O Smile
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#3 - 2012-12-25 18:55:03 UTC
Tax would not affect miners but 50% makes sense as a bare minimum.

(ಠ_ృ) ~ It Takes a Million Years to Become Diamonds So Lets Just Burn Like Coal Until the Sky's Black ~ (ಠ_ృ)

Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-12-25 18:57:44 UTC
Completely agree that something should be done. Wardec immunity should come at a much steeper price than 11% tax on bounties.

CCP has no sense of humour.

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2012-12-25 18:57:52 UTC
Unless you're a well known forum poster Big smile

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Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-12-25 18:59:58 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
Tax would not affect miners but 50% makes sense as a bare minimum.

Tax refining, tax market transactions, impose gate tolls and docking fees, increase clone and repair costs... NPC corp members shouldn't get an interaction-free ride through EVE.

CCP has no sense of humour.

Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#7 - 2012-12-25 19:01:33 UTC
If anything, being in an NPC corp should mean you get treated like a pariah. You already get this treatment from other players, might as well have the NPC's behave consistently.

(ಠ_ృ) ~ It Takes a Million Years to Become Diamonds So Lets Just Burn Like Coal Until the Sky's Black ~ (ಠ_ృ)

Miri Amatonur
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-12-25 19:10:41 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
If anything, being in an NPC corp should mean you get treated like a pariah. You already get this treatment from other players, might as well have the NPC's behave consistently.


Just from the point of lore. NPC corps are honoured by the presence of pod pilots within their lines since we have much more freedom to do things they can't.

It's a cheap way to prevent war decs that is true.
Beside that. Where is the problem?
Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-12-25 19:15:09 UTC
Miri Amatonur wrote:
Where is the problem?

Miri Amatonur wrote:
It's a cheap way to prevent war decs

CCP has no sense of humour.

Etherealclams
#10 - 2012-12-25 19:15:57 UTC
Increase taxes? Idk what can be done to make people leave npc corps.

http://aclamthatrants.blogspot.com/ Read up on my adventures.

Captain Death1
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2012-12-25 19:16:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Captain Death1
I think what op is trying to say is the game needs to force you to play with him good luck with that roflol



they should reset all players in the game sp to 0 and set all players isk to o . we all start over at same time then i will agree with you on all most anything

after all that would fix the game
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#12 - 2012-12-25 19:17:30 UTC
Individuals revering capsuleer presence is indeed an important element of New Eden but on a grander scale it does little to improve the image of these corporations.

As regards the problem, their needs to be more incentive for people to interact within this game and at present there is little reason to step out of the NPC corporations unless you wish to run a POS, outpost or build a reputation. Everyone should be encouraged to spread their wings.

It's hardly a game-changing issue but I know it's of interest to CCP to encourage player interaction and as such I'm just hoping to catch their attention.

(ಠ_ృ) ~ It Takes a Million Years to Become Diamonds So Lets Just Burn Like Coal Until the Sky's Black ~ (ಠ_ృ)

Miri Amatonur
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-12-25 19:25:58 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
Individuals revering capsuleer presence is indeed an important element of New Eden but on a grander scale it does little to improve the image of these corporations.

As regards the problem, their needs to be more incentive for people to interact within this game and at present there is little reason to step out of the NPC corporations unless you wish to run a POS, outpost or build a reputation. Everyone should be encouraged to spread their wings.

It's hardly a game-changing issue but I know it's of interest to CCP to encourage player interaction and as such I'm just hoping to catch their attention.


There are alot of incentitives to step out and join player run corporations. There may be some individuals who prefer to play an MMORPG alone but most of us are here to play together with other players.
It's the social aspect that drives us to form communities and leave the npc ones.
Pyre leFay
Doomheim
#14 - 2012-12-25 19:29:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Pyre leFay
A very high tax on rats and missions would be perfect to get Mission runners out into the world despite most would then go into personal small corps. That's fine.
Yet you cant encourage NPC corp members from mining in any conventional method. Which are their biggest use.
Increasing station refine take % on NPC corps wouldn't work.
Nor market tax on raw ore for npcs.
Any detrimental effect after the act of acquiring the ore can be sidestepped with a alt in a personal corp like a market alt.
Whatever the drawback, it needs to be taken before beam hits rock.

Yet then groups of individuals, or even groups of alts would each make personal corps and so you could only ever wardec 1 at a time.
Which stems from a problem with the ease to create solo corps. Yet would it be bad to make them harder to create?

The simplest solution I think is to just let people under 90 days old fall back into a safe NPC school.
After 90, they fall back into conscription FW with the empire you have highest standing with when not in a player corp. The negative cross empire hate could be temporary as a conscript until you leave. If kicked from a corp and you happen to be deep in what will become a enemy empire, you could have a 24 hour notice to get out or re-corp before FW kicks in.

For those that have been unsubscribed for over 3 months, your safe NPC school time could be reset.

After a change of this sort, everyone currently in the game will get the 90 day NPC school time to sort themselves out.
Captain Death1
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2012-12-25 19:35:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Captain Death1
The the game needs reset so we are all be on the same footing when the new rules go in to place if that ever happens



now that you have ten years and trills of isk you want a rule change right lol



are maybe they should just run off the vet players and let the game grow and make more money


what you guys are asking for and op is for them to make less money why would anyone want to do that not your money what do you care (back seat drivers you got to love them )
Eternal Error
Doomheim
#16 - 2012-12-25 19:43:39 UTC
I think CCP should look at expanding corporation taxes as a whole (i.e. taxes on reprocessing, market transactions, etc. at the corp and/or alliance level). This could then be implemented for NPC corps. I do not think that the bounty tax for NPC corps needs to go higher than ~15%. I also do not think that this is a particularly pressing issue in the grand scheme of things.
Funky Lazers
Funk Freakers
#17 - 2012-12-25 19:43:43 UTC
Some Rando wrote:
Miri Amatonur wrote:
Where is the problem?

Miri Amatonur wrote:
It's a cheap way to prevent war decs


Just lol!
Whenever I get Wardecced I leave my corp and make another one. Takes ~1 mil to do so and like 1 min of my time.

I just love those nullbear tears after 3-4 useless tries or even much more.
Someone lost like 200mil for nothing. Makes me giggle hard.

Whatever.

Randolph Rothstein
whatever corp.
#18 - 2012-12-25 19:44:47 UTC
if ccp somehow managed to nerf NPC corps. i will create player corp - lets call it "the genlemens lounge"

there will be no talk policy (no chat policy respectively) and players will be strictly encouraged not to engage in social aspect of the game

we will pretend wearing top hats and monocles and we will spend our eve time not talking to each other and generally doing everything solo

in case of wardec we will twist our evil moustaches and quietly judge the warmongers while promptly disbanding the corporation while creating another corporation with the same goals under different name

every spy would inevitably fail

every hatemail would be met with condescending silence

photos of cute puppies allowed

Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#19 - 2012-12-25 19:45:03 UTC
I love when people are proud and act tough about their own cowardice and failing.

(ಠ_ృ) ~ It Takes a Million Years to Become Diamonds So Lets Just Burn Like Coal Until the Sky's Black ~ (ಠ_ృ)

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2012-12-25 19:48:14 UTC
I don't need your approval Straight

"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff 

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