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YC113: Matari Christmas EVE Massacre - Over 2000 Slaves Murdered :(

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Pinky Feldman
Amarrian Vengeance
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#1 - 2012-12-24 21:50:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Pinky Feldman
As an Arch Lieutenant for the Amarr Militia I have flown in many fleets against the Matari over the past few months. Deep hatred has slowly turned into begrudging respect and as a sign of improved diplomatic attitude on our side we decided to bring a Bestower filled with over 2000 Matari slaves to Ushra Khan's stronghold in Isbrabata for them to be delivered to freedom in a show of Christmas goodwill. The number was originally intended to be an even 2000, however, due to our unwillingness to seperate familes the finally tally ended up 2,184.

The Bestower and our Amarrian escort fleet landed on their Pator Tech School home station at roughly 20:30, however we were denied docking access. We attempted to establish communications via local channel to request docking rights and were informed by Foxstar Damaskeenus that Scotty their docking manager was away for the holidays. Lowhyres then informed us that if our intentions were genuine to leave the slaves outside the station, however, cramming slaves into jetcans and subjecting them to the harshness of space is not how the Empire treats anyone, slaves or not. Plus, we wanted to personally see the slaves off and ensure that they would truly be freed and not indentured into a life of military service and killing, an atrocious lifestyle I one day hope will come to an end for all of us.

As we sat on the undock, the Matari slowly undocked more and more combat ships. We remained vigilant, but merely hoped it was active pilots undocking in a show of support. It turns out our naivete was not rewarded and our glorious Amarrian escort fleet was fired on despite our announcement of peaceful intent. Many of our brave pilots ships were destroyed in the ensuing chaos with von Khan of PIE the first to be downed in his Inquisitor carrying nothing more than antibiotics. Not wanting the slaves to die before they had a chance to be freed, brave pilot James Mysu attempted to warp his transport out, however, Ushra Khan pilot, Lowhyres had already begun his onslaught on the peaceful transport. Hearing on comms that the cargo area had hull breaches forming with many of the families being sucked into the void of space and the rest slowly dying of asphyxia, we finished off the hauler lest the slaves suffer any more than they had to.

I fully denounce these clear terrorist actions. Apparently, Ushra Khan had taking lessons from CVA, straying from their founding goals and practicing advanced methods of teachery and deception. They claim to come for their people, so we attempted to bring them their people only to have them murder their people.

I awknowledge that one deed does not respresent the actions of an entire peoples, but this is truly a day that will be remembered in infamy by both sides.
Saede Riordan
Alexylva Paradox
#2 - 2012-12-24 22:04:33 UTC
CAAN0N
ElitistOps
Deepwater Hooligans
#3 - 2012-12-24 22:13:25 UTC  |  Edited by: CAAN0N
Couldn't have happened to a nicer, more deserving, hard working bunch of individuals.
kraiklyn Asatru
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-12-24 22:45:39 UTC
On behalf of the Matari, I would like to formally declare that these are all Lies! It is an outrage!
The Matari group delivering necessary Christmas supplies to Egghelende were fired upon unprovoked!
Luckily we managed to jettison our essential supplies prior to the unwanted destruction visited upon my ship by an Amarrian Loki! This was just another massacre initiated by the Amarr in an attempt to create negative publicity.
Kraven Fawkes
Fawkes Dynamics Surveillance and Security Firm
#5 - 2012-12-24 22:54:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Kraven Fawkes
Miss Feldman, I have no dog in this fight, but I will say that your entire story stinks. You allege that you flew a transport, laden with slaves, into a war zone with the destination of a star base you knew you could not dock at controlled by your enemies to deliver said slaves to freedom. You say you did this in the spirit of goodwill, but your story doesn't pass the smell test, it does however smell of a setup. The Minmatar in question gave you an opportunity to deliver your "gift" and leave with your asses in tact, but this wasn't what you wanted to actually do.

Had your intentions been genuine, you would have taken the chance to drop the cargo, and get while the getting was good, or perhaps arranged a meeting at a neutral location to make the transaction. Instead you took a transport, a tasty target in any low sec system, and took it through a war zone, knowing that no matter what you would be attacked, sure as a wounded Kravi Seal will attract a Fraxian Shark, and waited for the trap to be sprung. You wanted a propaganda bit to come rushing here and crying "the minmatar are evil, see what they did when we were trying to be nice?".

You have failed Ma'am, whats more it looks like your own "friendlies" did more damage then the "enemy" did to the Bestower.


Edit: And before the link is taken out so as to make this story more believable, by the the person OP, I have decided to attach it here. Also you may want to tell Bobfrommarketing he is a **** shot as he failed to even put any damage on the friendly he was attempting to kill.
Salena Ashera
#6 - 2012-12-24 22:55:56 UTC
I wont question the validity of your story, but...

There is a reason neutral parties exist, Pinky. That your entire alliance failed to point this out and hire someone to deliver them for you is.. Well it speaks volumes of the schools you all were educated in.

Salena Ashera; Shandian Lu clan Mystic.

Kentt Em'asep
Clone Red Creations
#7 - 2012-12-24 22:57:19 UTC
Hmm... did you call anyone before you made a trip into enemy territory? Because camping outside of a enemy headquarters might gain some unwanted hostilaty. Along with the name you pilots fly under. Plus... I question the loyalties of your pilots, as two seemed to have switched sides during your dealings.

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~"Forever?"~

~"Yes - forever. It's what I do."~

Pinky Feldman
Amarrian Vengeance
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#8 - 2012-12-24 23:10:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Pinky Feldman
Kraven Fawkes wrote:
Miss Feldman, I have no dog in this fight, but I will say that your entire story stinks. You allege that you flew a transport, laden with slaves, into a war zone with the destination of a star base you knew you could not dock at controlled by your enemies to deliver said slaves to freedom. You say you did this in the spirit of goodwill, but your story doesn't pass the smell test, it does however smell of a setup. The Minmatar in question gave you an opportunity to deliver your "gift" and leave with your asses in tact, but this wasn't what you wanted to actually do.

Had your intentions been genuine, you would have taken the chance to drop the cargo, and get while the getting was good, or perhaps arranged a meeting at a neutral location to make the transaction. Instead you took a transport, a tasty target in any low sec system, and took it through a war zone, knowing that no matter what you would be attacked, sure as a wounded Kravi Seal will attract a Fraxian Shark, and waited for the trap to be sprung. You wanted a propaganda bit to come rushing here and crying "the minmatar are evil, see what they did when we were trying to be nice?".

You have failed Ma'am, whats more it looks like your own "friendlies" did more damage then the "enemy" did to the Bestower.


Over 2000 souls perished today. The fact you would even mention propaganda and attempt to turn this into a political affair is reprehensible. Even the pilots involved realized the err of their ways and delivered gifts of yuletide cheer to our home station following the calamity. Sadly, even such amends cannot bring back the dead.

In regards to your question about loyalties, as I mentioned before, after Lowhyres brutal attack, the Bestower was venting atmosphere and mercy was chosen over additional suffering. I feel its also worth mentioning, that their fleet clearly had the capabilities to destroy us without effort and we refrained from firing upon them until we were shot at first.

Salena Ashera wrote:
I wont question the validity of your story, but...

There is a reason neutral parties exist, Pinky. That your entire alliance failed to point this out and hire someone to deliver them for you is.. Well it speaks volumes of the schools you all were educated in.


We are warriors, not bureaucrats. In fact, it is not historically uncommon, even in active warzones for both sides celebrating holidays to take vacationis, albeit short, from hostilities. While in retrospect, I now realize such channels should be taken, what many forget is that factional warfare is not the environment many politicians and civilians are accustomed to and without fighting and seeing our warzone firsthand I denounce anyone seeking to pass judgement on what takes place. What many people fail to realize is such actions have been attempted before through "proper" channels and the conclusion was that the slaves would die before the politicians could agree to mutually agreeable terms.
Kraven Fawkes
Fawkes Dynamics Surveillance and Security Firm
#9 - 2012-12-24 23:15:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Kraven Fawkes
Pinky Feldman wrote:
Over 2000 souls perished today. The fact you would even mention propaganda and attempt to turn this into a political affair is reprehensible. Even the pilots involved realized the err of their ways and delivered gifts of yuletide cheer to our home station following the calamity. Sadly, even such amends cannot bring back the dead.


You have already failed in your **** poor attempt to frame the Minmatar, as most things fail with your group. Please for the love of your God, know that you were beaten by your own stupidity and stop posting crap propaganda. Perhaps in the future when you want to try this again, do not link a kill mail that proves you are not only bad at fleet engagments, but also at creating lies and subterfuge, leave that to the pro's at Guiding Hand Social Club.

Edit: I am sorry, I thought you were Fweddit pilot. Therefore I retract the part about your group being crap in fleet engagements. The rest stands though.
Pinky Feldman
Amarrian Vengeance
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#10 - 2012-12-24 23:18:47 UTC
Kraven Fawkes wrote:
Pinky Feldman wrote:
Over 2000 souls perished today. The fact you would even mention propaganda and attempt to turn this into a political affair is reprehensible. Even the pilots involved realized the err of their ways and delivered gifts of yuletide cheer to our home station following the calamity. Sadly, even such amends cannot bring back the dead.


You have already failed in your **** poor attempt to frame the Minmatar, as most things fail with your group. Please for the love of your God, know that you were beaten by your own stupidity and stop posting crap propaganda. Perhaps in the future when you want to try this again, do not link a kill mail that proves you are not only bad at fleet engagments, but also at creating lies and subterfuge, leave that to the pro's at Guiding Hand Social Club.


Right, I forgot that the only acceptable archetype for the Amarr in the IGS is Lord Vaari. While attempting to rustle my jimmies, you seem to have forgotten the cardinal rule of not allowing your own jimmies to be rustled.
Kraven Fawkes
Fawkes Dynamics Surveillance and Security Firm
#11 - 2012-12-24 23:23:59 UTC
Pinky Feldman wrote:


Right, I forgot that the only acceptable archetype for the Amarr in the IGS is Lord Vaari. While attempting to rustle my jimmies, you seem to have forgotten the cardinal rule of not allowing your own jimmies to be rustled.


First, Lord Vaari is an IGS legend and much loved. He is like the IGS equivalent of one old and senile grandfather that runs around family get together s flashing and talking about how back in his day they used to wear radish's on their belts because it was the trend back then.

Second, what is this about a desire to rustle my jimmy?
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-12-25 07:12:47 UTC
Pinky Feldman wrote:
We decided to bring a Bestower filled with over 2000 Matari slaves to Ushra Khan's stronghold

And that was a huge mistake.

They are tribals, savages, primitives, why did you think they would accept it? Her Majesty herself freed so many slaves, did it prevent the war? Did it pacified raging savages?..

Despite what they claim, they just don't care about their own people. All they care about are twisted ideals, implanted by their gallentean overlords into their primitive brains.

Leave diplomacy to those, who can comprehend. When dealing with minmatars or gallentes, diplomacy is simple useless: they either doesn't want or just can't understand our sides. The only way to make them listen to you, is back your words with firepower. Bring them not gifts, but death.

Consider next time bringing in a bestower filled with explosives, to shake out their sorry a****s from that station.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#13 - 2012-12-25 09:55:42 UTC
This massacre took place last year? It's YC 114 this year - for the next few weeks, of course.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#14 - 2012-12-25 11:34:26 UTC
As benevolent the intentions might have been, your operation could have benefited from a little more planning, as explained by others above. The way it was done sounds rather foolish to me.

It is easy to jump into a pool unprepared and lose an arm to a shark, and then blaming it for what happened. You seem as guilty as the people that shot down the transports to me, or you would have brought secure blockade runners, contacted neutral parties, or just made the transfer in a more secure place like high security space. Alternative solutions are legion.

Or maybe are you still quite novice in that kind of matters ? Ignorance often kills.


Sidenote : "I whip my slaves back and forth" alliance ?
Elisa Endeavour
Endeavour Enterprise
#15 - 2012-12-25 12:21:27 UTC
Better Communications should have made this act one to remember.

It's a shame
Salena Ashera
#16 - 2012-12-25 13:14:23 UTC
Pinky Feldman wrote:


We are warriors, not bureaucrats. In fact, it is not historically uncommon, even in active war-zones for both sides celebrating holidays to take vacations, albeit short, from hostilities. While in retrospect, I now realize such channels should be taken, what many forget is that factional warfare is not the environment many politicians and civilians are accustomed to and without fighting and seeing our war-zone firsthand I denounce anyone seeking to pass judgement on what takes place. What many people fail to realize is such actions have been attempted before through "proper" channels and the conclusion was that the slaves would die before the politicians could agree to mutually agreeable terms.


I am both a Luminaire General and Valklear General. I've fought for 2 consecutive years in the Militias, I know the show. If you failed to reach an agreement in proper channels, You have totally failed as a soldier tasked with protecting these people, due to your own in-competencies, don't blame the other militia.

You could have sent them to live long and happy lives for the rest of their lives for about 200 million ISK, a penitence for most capsuleers. Instead you created a situation that walked and talked like a trap and try to blame your opponents for responding to the threat of said trap.

If you didn't want to spend the ISK why not look for a corporation in the Fed/State/republic that would hire them and house them? There are quite a few, Ishukone for example would have gladly taken them in.

Over two thousand citizens of the Amarr Empire (by will or not) died in your failure to protect them or flee for their sake. Your fleets incompetence as soldiers and tacticians killed them. End of story.

Salena Ashera; Shandian Lu clan Mystic.

Streya Jormagdnir
Alexylva Paradox
#17 - 2012-12-25 16:23:31 UTC
Why didn't you go through Electus Matari? You want to show goodwill and free some slaves? Take the poor souls to a neutral station you know for certain you can dock at. Contact Electus Matari. Transfer the people into their care. Done deal! No hassle!

Amarrian hubris at its finest here. "Well our superior morals will protect us from the fact we didn't contact the right people, choose the right drop-off point, or even bother to fit the Bestower with warp core stabilizers like any reasonable lowsec hauler pilot would. Hurrrr." You lot did NOTHING to absolutely ensure anyone's safety.

I am also a human, straggling between the present world... and our future. I am a regulator, a coordinator, one who is meant to guide the way.

Destination Unreachable: the worst Wspace blog ever

Pinky Feldman
Amarrian Vengeance
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#18 - 2012-12-25 18:07:20 UTC
Streya Jormagdnir wrote:
Why didn't you go through Electus Matari? You want to show goodwill and free some slaves? Take the poor souls to a neutral station you know for certain you can dock at. Contact Electus Matari. Transfer the people into their care. Done deal! No hassle!

Amarrian hubris at its finest here. "Well our superior morals will protect us from the fact we didn't contact the right people, choose the right drop-off point, or even bother to fit the Bestower with warp core stabilizers like any reasonable lowsec hauler pilot would. Hurrrr." You lot did NOTHING to absolutely ensure anyone's safety.


Typical Matari attitude. Complain about a situation, and then when people seek to give assistance complain they're not trying hard enough. I'm sure the reason we haven't seen more acts of goodwill towards the Republic is due to this "give a mouse a cookie" attitude, where even if the incredibly time consuming efforts like you mentioned were met, there would still be criticism and demands for more reparations, which i'm sure would just be used to fund weapons of destruction like Gallente relief money.

The hubris was not the assumption that our superior morals would protect us, rather the assumption that the Matari would not murder their own people, the assumption that when someone strolls up to your front door in a lightly armed escort fleet bearing a white flag they do not have hostile intentions. Your arguement that it is Amarrian hubris that killed the slaves is as valid as the argument that when a rapist attacks a provocatively dressed female, the female is at fault.

You can attempt to divert blame onto our actions, but the fact remains, we declared peaceful intentions, our fleet was clearly not hostile, we were fired upon first. If the Minmatar fleet had decimated the escort fleet but left the hauler unharmed, the arguements might be different, but the fact is the entire fleet was wantonly attacked and the coordinated fleet undock shows pre-meditated hostilities and not the result of a solo pilot failing to get the memo.

This conversation only reinforces to me that the Matari do not in fact come for their people, but come for war and only war, choosing to use any and all means to justify further war mongering. Even had we gone through more bureaucratic channels, I foresee a scenario ending in a similar situation with Amarrian bloodshed at the hands of the Matar only the Matar resecuring the slaves rather than killing them and still accusing the Amarr of hubris for trusting the Minmatar would uphold any formal agreement.

As i've stated before, its disappointing that rather than mourn this tragedy and working together to prevent this from ever happening again, there are parties seeking to turn it into a propaganda piece.
Kraven Fawkes
Fawkes Dynamics Surveillance and Security Firm
#19 - 2012-12-25 18:28:41 UTC
Pinky Feldman wrote:
Streya Jormagdnir wrote:
Why didn't you go through Electus Matari? You want to show goodwill and free some slaves? Take the poor souls to a neutral station you know for certain you can dock at. Contact Electus Matari. Transfer the people into their care. Done deal! No hassle!

Amarrian hubris at its finest here. "Well our superior morals will protect us from the fact we didn't contact the right people, choose the right drop-off point, or even bother to fit the Bestower with warp core stabilizers like any reasonable lowsec hauler pilot would. Hurrrr." You lot did NOTHING to absolutely ensure anyone's safety.


A bunch of bullcrap words by Pinky.


STOP you damned idiot....that hauler was killed by friendlies and you know it! It was in the kill mail you posted. Everyone, stop giving this moron the benefit of the doubt that "she may have had good intentions but was just a moron in how she did it" and read the fugging killmail, you will see that the UK pilot did some damage, but it was the haulers own allies that did most of the damage and, here's my favorite part, got the final blow.
Streya Jormagdnir
Alexylva Paradox
#20 - 2012-12-25 18:31:26 UTC
Pinky Feldman wrote:

The hubris was not the assumption that our superior morals would protect us, rather the assumption that the Matari would not murder their own people, the assumption that when someone strolls up to your front door in a lightly armed escort fleet bearing a white flag they do not have hostile intentions.


And you assume further that the actions of a few capsuleers reflect the mindset of an entire people. The actions of U'K reflect only upon U'K. Pure and simple. I know as a fact and will vouch for Electus Matari as an appropriate organization for turning freed slaves over to. They take care of them, rehabilitate them, and so on and so forth. While I won't bash against U'K in this thread, I know Electus Matari has a very proud track history that can be trusted. One does not do business with an organization possessing relatively unknown intentions, but rather with a well-established organization.

And that is how you avoid these sorts of things in the future. Happy?

I am also a human, straggling between the present world... and our future. I am a regulator, a coordinator, one who is meant to guide the way.

Destination Unreachable: the worst Wspace blog ever

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