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Dispelling the myth of the AFK drone boat

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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#1 - 2012-12-25 05:54:59 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Dosnix
I'll tried to keep this short but I couldn't. I'm a former drone captain and like many former drone captains soon to be a former subscriber. Ever since Retribution launched I, like my comrades, have been constantly hearing constant complaints of "AFK drone boats" running missions from people who, quite frankly, have no frikkin' clue what they're talking about. A bunch of brainless parrots copying what others have said. So let me set this straight.

I'm a former drone captain. I did L4 missions in drone boats. I was never AFK during these missions because it was impossible to do so. Drone boats had to be just as aware & alert as any other kind of ship, and more: We had to watch the health of our drones as well as our own ship.

I had invested the better part of a year's worth of SP in drone skills and more ISK than I'd like to admit in the special Navy issue drones. Wait, doesn't everyone just use T2 for the higher DPS? Let me be the first to tell you: No, no they do not. I bought Navy issue drones for one reason only: They had twice the hitpoints of any other class of drone.

But wait, the parrots say, who cares about drone hitpoints since the NPCs never targets drones before? And this is where the mind-blowing ignorance of the parrot crowd comes into the light: NPCs always targets drones, even before Retribution. Taking your eyes off the drone monitor window meant losing your drones. It had always been that way. Using Navy drones, then, was extra insurance. When they AI started to target my drones I knew it was going to be an agonizing amount of time between my recalling them and them actually making it back. Watching the armor and structure bar shrink away I knew that all too often that "double hitpoints for Navy" was the only reason I was getting back a drone with half it's structure left versus losing a drone outright. It was a good investment in my book.

In other words, I paid attention and was still at risk of losing drones. So much risk that I found myself more often than not launching these heavy hitpoint navy units rather than the pew-pew T2s that the parrots think we use exclusively. And despite even this I had lost more than one of these super-tough Navy drones as well - and keep in mind that just one of these kinds of drones will run you over 5,000,000ISK each. You could by a fully fitted destroyer (or two) for less than the cost of one good drone.

And now we're expected to treat them like ammo. That's cute. And the parrot crowd is busy chanting their "HTFU" - which is pretty sad coming from a bunch of cookie-cutter Tengu jockies. And when asked why this was done they always say the same stupid, insipid thing: "It was to prevent AFK drone boats."

CLUE: The were never any AFK drone boats. And AFK drone boat is a DEAD drone boat. Always has been, even before the patch. This is a myth. A lie. A pile of steaming bull-crap that somebody who knew nothing about drone captaining made up and was simply repeated ad nauseam by all the other clueless non-drone users since then.

So where did this all spring from? Simple... one incident of someone getting busted farming a complex. And by "busted" I mean "confessing." But here is where it really gets sad: Was any of this ever proven? Because, y'know, nobody has ever bragged & made up crap about their l33t skills making them billions of ISK on EvE to make their e-peen look bigger before. Oh perish the thought! If someone said they did something there is no way they could be lying, right? And based on this one questionable claim an entire weapons system - drones - was broken. Yeah, that'll show them!

So let's, for the sake of argument, assume that the BS claim was true and that some jerk really was making billions of ISK from farming a single deadspace complex. Not that there aren't fifty other ways that players make billions of ISK per month exploiting_bad_game_mechanics built right into the game, but hey... that's all nullsec *snip*, so that means it's kosher, right? Hisec players making ISK? Oh no, now that's a serious crime. Time to drop the hammer.

So who was the hammer dropped on? That is where this tragic comedy hits it's punchline: The wrong people. CCP was so determined to put an and to this mythical "AFK drone boat farming" that they killed the off the viability of all drone boat mission running. Do they honestly think that AFK mission farming will end? Or will it simply change forms?

TL;DR: People who aren't drone captains make up crap about drone captains, CCP believes them and nerfs all drones based on phony claims. Real drone captains ignored, told to HTFU or unsub. Drone captains unsub in disgust. Working as intended.

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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-12-25 06:06:29 UTC
I used to AFK drone boat but then I had to sell my Kronos and get a Paladin.

I don't like flying a used tampon CCP, lemme use my AFK drone boat again Cry

"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff 

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Kehro Urgus
Dark Nebula Academy
O X I D E
#3 - 2012-12-25 06:08:47 UTC
I tend to agree about the AFK'ness of drone ships. While there are a couple missions it is doable but they aren't the norm unless one likes losing drones a lot or taking forever to finish a mission. In all but one L4 I can think of, to be totally AFK drone-ing you would previously need to draw all or most of the aggro and even as someone who mainly used a heavily tanked Navy Domi I found this approach to be very dangerous at times.

Sometimes I wonder if it would be just a lot easier to train a Tengu, orbit at x distance and fire way mindlessly.

Yeeee! 

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#4 - 2012-12-25 06:09:55 UTC
Nerf FoF missiles as well.

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Methelic Mahyisti
Doomheim
#5 - 2012-12-25 06:12:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Methelic Mahyisti
Yeah, I'm not sure where they got the idea from.

I never AFK'd in my drone boat. In fact, I clicked more than I would ever have to with missles. It's a stupid change and it hits new players really hard.


But yeah, goons who have never even seen a drone boat will inevitably come and try to collect tears (:
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#6 - 2012-12-25 06:15:29 UTC
Methelic Mahyisti wrote:
But yeah, goons who have never even seen a drone boat will inevitably come and try to collect tears (:

I rat with two dominixes and a raven. Ironically, now the raven gets all the aggro (it uses torps) and life is so much easier now in one particular case. Which is the one I'm farming.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-12-25 06:20:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Simetraz
When was the last time you saw a Domi doing missions.

At one time a properly Fitted Domi has a monster tank and you could fall asleep in it without a second thought.

And farther back before the NOS nerf, a Domi in null was not something you took for granted.

Now well, I think I still have my original Domi from 2006 and haven't looked at it in years.
Poor thing I think it is the ugliest ship in game as well Lol
RIP the Domi.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-12-25 06:23:16 UTC
I guess you never heard of the AFK Sentry Ishtar.

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Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#9 - 2012-12-25 06:24:04 UTC
War potato is awesome u ppl are weird.

You choke behind a smile a fake behind the fear

Because >>I is too hard

Kehro Urgus
Dark Nebula Academy
O X I D E
#10 - 2012-12-25 06:24:20 UTC
Simetraz wrote:
When was the last time you saw a Domi doing missions.

At one time a properly Fitted Domi has a monster tank and you could fall asleep in it without a second thought.

And farther back before the NOS nerf, a Domi in null was not something you took for granted.

Now well, I think I still have my original Domi from 2006 and haven't looked at it in years.
Poor thing I think it is the ugliest ship in game as well Lol
RIP the Domi.


Have you seen how badly the prices of Navy Domi's have tanked recently ~ 260 million ISK (and I don't think it has much to do with LP dumping).

Yeeee! 

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#11 - 2012-12-25 06:24:23 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
I guess you never heard of the AFK Sentry Ishtar.

Tell me more !

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-12-25 06:29:45 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
I guess you never heard of the AFK Sentry Ishtar.

Tell me more !


I will second that I have one of those sitting around somewhere as well Lol
Kehro Urgus
Dark Nebula Academy
O X I D E
#13 - 2012-12-25 06:29:46 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
I guess you never heard of the AFK Sentry Ishtar.

Tell me more !



They are great if it gets webbed by a stray frigate while you're making a sammich.

Yeeee! 

Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2012-12-25 06:35:38 UTC
Typical CCP method to solving a problem.
Shepard Wong Ogeko
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2012-12-25 06:44:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Shepard Wong Ogeko
<3 my Gila. And I still rat with it.
Sisohiv
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2012-12-25 06:45:39 UTC
I do agree, the whole AFK drone boat thing was an ardent lie to try and white wash this. I said it before, they did it to stop people in Null from assigning fighters to blitz Null Plex sites and Lv. 4 missions runners got thrown under the bus.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#17 - 2012-12-25 06:56:27 UTC
So show me exactly where CCP said this was to nerf AFK drone boat users? And I mean CCP, not players. Because I'd like the references you are using to push your claims about this, otherwise you are doing exactly what you are complaining about and pushing a lie.

On the other hand, there were a number of players who posted how to AFK drone boat in a number of specific circumstances, including how to drop two groups of sentries so one group could always shoot any frigates and take advantage of the 1m/s movement towards you that a sentry does.

So the AFK drone boat was never a Myth. It may not have been as pervasive as some players claimed, but it certainly did exist in some forms and was useable in some complexes at the very least.
GreenSeed
#18 - 2012-12-25 07:00:47 UTC
i've said it a many times, this was a half assed change, not at all thought trough. adding sleeper AI to sites and plexes was needed, many times i would go farming for my invention and would see gilas and domis sitting there day and night. but adding it to lvl4s?

people often make arguments like "afk missioning" or "botters", and its plain painful to read, because they have no bloody idea of what they are talking about.

i honestly cannot think of a reason other than to **** off drone users, and noobs. because as far as the "its to stop botters" argument goes, lvl4s are not botted, because their payout/bounty is garbage. botters go and do low lvl anoms, -1 belts, and lvl5s, and they never, EVER. use drone boats, they will use a swarm of tengus or drakes. just go to any system with a high npc kill stat and sit at the station, one carrier sitting at undock, and every 20 minutes a swarm of 20 or so drakes docks and undocks... fun fun.

they don't use logis, and they don't care for dps, since lvl5 agro spreads on the targets, if you warp in a bunch of targets the room dps gets spread over. because, guess what... lvl5s already had sleeper ai.

what about the guy who can only face a lvl4 if he flies a dual LAR domi using drones and meta guns? can you really tell a guy "adapt", when he invested most of his sp on drones because he friggin rolled gallente, and gallente has a VERY explicit drone progression with the navitas -> vexor -> Myrm, branching in Gila/ishtar and domi -> ndomi -> rattlesnake

i can understand telling a minnie pilot, who was clearly directed to go for projectiles/shield since the tutorials. "dude, adapt and pew pew" same with caldari and with the amarr... but gallente? even our missions are built around us having drone support, since battleships, frigates AND cruisers will dampen you...

to put it simply, 3/4th of the eve players cant possibly have a clue of what it is to be a noob on the gallente side, because they never started on this side...

and the "afk missioning" is a myth... "afkboat" means simply "dual LAR domi", the term was coined in gallente starter corps as one of the recommended fits for noobs, and that fit is as old as drones are... fill the lows with 2x mission specific hardeners, 2x LARs, mids with cap rechargers, same with rigs. the term "afkboat" is refering to the fact that after 2 months of training that thing could get so overtanked you could pull the bonus room on angel extravaganza and go make yourself a sandwich.

guess what, you can still do it now.

and just like before, you cant just "drop sentries and AFK"... because just like before, when the bs spawn, they would target and kill them.

to make it clear, "afk drone boat" does not, and has never meant "the rats will all die with no input" it simply means that drone battleships can reach absurd lvls of ehp and tank, to the point where even a 3 weeks old character can do a lvl4 mission. it will take him maybe an hour and a half, but he can do it. just like a caldari pilot could do them in a passive drake, with purgers and power relays on the lows.

that same pilot after another 3 months or so could jump in a Gila or ishtar and do the same missions 10x faster, because just like with any other weapon system in eve, the more sp you invest on it, be it ship training or support skills, the better it gets... now days only the gila has a chance at being useful and that is if 2 Deadspace small shield reppers are on the highs... what the !@#$...

you telling me that i have to first, get in mission pocket at 70km, drop can. then agro and drop and pick up sentries as i snipe/kite frigs, warp out to an opposing celestial from my warp in, and back in at 70km to get distance, drop sentries again, manually rep them while they slowly kill BSs, warp inside pocket to my can, and drop sentries again to go for bcs...

all this while a tengu can cruise trough, while 3 shooting everything with hams?

#%#@ you, no i wont adapt. cant be done. either make NPCs miss 90% of their attacks against drones, or give me back my 5millon sp on drones.

and yeah i can and i have already jumped in my tengu, or i could go for a loki, but that's because i have 65m SP... this change doesn't affect me, but what about the noob gallente pilot who has 8m SP, half of which is in drones?

adapt or unsub? really?
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2012-12-25 07:02:22 UTC
LOL at all these people pretending they've never heard of an AFK mission drone boat or saying it's impossible. When the AI changes were first put on the table and people mentioned AFK drone boats, it took me all of 10 seconds (conservatively) to figure out how I'd make such a ship, then another couple of minutes fitting one in EFT. I later tested it just fine on the test server.

AFK drone and complex boats exist, and what do you know? They fare just fine. This change had nothing to do with AFK drone boats and CCP never once said that it did.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#20 - 2012-12-25 07:05:00 UTC
TL;DR

Someone who is bad at Eve has bad setup rendered obsolete by tangential mechanics change.

Not the first and not the last, but apparently special enough to deserve their own thread.

HTFU

Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal

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