EVE General Discussion

No, luckily enough I had built all except 57 capital jump drives, I had a nice stash of L4 missions loot to reprocess and some help from 2 large grav sites + a small one.

Also, I have taken a nap (being a swing trader in RL got its perks! ) and rummaged about the "give farms to soldiers" concept.

It has a BIG inherent risk that I have seen become true in another sandbox game: once the soldiers got farms and a full belly, they stopped wanting to fight, the game became totally stagnant. As I used to post in their 2004 forums: "this game is not about our races fighting together to survive against the evil but about our races cooking cakes after having defeated the evil".

What "incentive" - to use the same words of a Goon resident - is left to alliance warlords to push the grunts into battle again?
Once they are comfy and happy, everyone with their lil garden and job, their hunger will cease, their drive will slow down.

The only discriminating factor left will be tech moons and that's alliance warlords booty not soldiers'.
Will the leaders be able to convince or even push their soldiers to fight over something the latter don't really care that much about? Industry and mining being taxable (as requested by Goons "cabal") will make alliance taxation something that does not relies on tech so much any more.

So, EvE may become farmlands online, PvP being relegated to skirmishes at the borders, where small PvP (farmless guys?) roams will annoy the resident soldiers farmers and that's it.

That would be a game changing moment. The moment when galaxy wide peace happened.
The ideal of every grunt, the dream of every civilian.

The death of a PvP game.

Hot news: "-A- 20 ships yesterday attacked Average Joe's farm, a 20 minutes skirmish ensued and Soon peace and order will be restored throughout the galaxy."

I'm not saying people don't talk about the things you do, I'm saying it's not something that people hear about and say "oh yeah, I gotta play that!".

I can't talk to people about what I do in EVE, it's ******* boring. Let's be realistic, while we both enjoy what it is we do in EVE, most people have a hard time staying awake when we talk about it. While I think it's exciting and fun pushing my daily transaction higher and higher, I have a hard time telling my friends that I did almost 2 billion in transactions today without them looking at me like I'm ********.

Even when I have them in front of the game and showing them exactly what it is I do, they look at me like I'm ********. In fact I had one of those moments yesterday with my brother-in-law. We ended the conversation with him saying, "and you have fun dong this?"

When I tell them about burn jita, hulkageddon, ice interdictions, sov wars, the new order, they think it's the coolest **** ever. But then they usually end with, "but you're just a spaceship, right?", that other obvious barrier that people refuse to accept as being a large new player bottleneck in EVE.

Those of us in the player run corps are the most improtant players in the game; not the NPC corp people. The only people in the NPC corps that need any consideration are the new players and those guys who are in between corporations.

New players do not need to make millions of isk running missions, they don't need to do T2 production, they don't need to worry about RnD agents, they only need the safety of the NPC corps to get a handle on how EVE works. Once the new player gets a grasp on things, finding and joining a player run corp should be thier primary objective. If people are able to stay in the NPC corp and earn ISK as well as every other person in EVE then there's a problem.

No one can say that you can't earn as much isk in the NPC corps as anyone else, that would be a lie. Thre's no incentive to join a player run corp. Making it harder to earn wads of ISK while in the NPC corps isn't going to hurt EVE, and anyone that would leave because they can't make billions of isk without joining a player run corp doesn't belong here anyways, they contribute nothing to the wider game and are rarely ever interested in actually trying to attract more players.

They're members of Generation Q.
They just want to play an online single player game and be able to do the same things, with as much reward, as people that actually take on more risk and effort. They want to be able to ignore everyone else in the game, enter a Q, consume the content, and then go right back to ignoring everyone again.

I never see people in corp chat asking if anyone wants to group, my alt sees it every day, multiple times a day, in the NPC corp that has 2 to 3x the number of people on at any given time. When I see people asking 600 other people if they'll group, and no one wants to, there's a problem.

And no, they do not need to create content designed specifically around rewarding grouping, or scaling rewards for group play. You can run through content much faster with other people then you can alone, that means more missions for more isk, and more dops over the same period of time when not solo.

But again, that's another one of those Generation Q problems. People think they should just be given extra for doing what the devs want you to do, play with other people.

The solo, NPC corp experience needs to be nerfed so that playing in corporations can actually be benefitial. Only when that happens can we really see what the real balance needs are between high and null.

the joy of taking things from people and crushing their dreams and hopes

this game pretty much sucks without that aspect and goons will get bored making isk

... and once you achieve the not so distant objective of having conquered all?

we conquer highsec, which has rich veins of pubbies unaware they are playing a multiplayer game who produce the finest squeals of indignation when they are fitted for a yoke

So your 5k per battleship cost was a boutade. Ok.

Speaking about conquering hi sec, I invited Baltec1 to setup the next Hulkageddon including me providing a little sponsorship but it kinda dried out fast.

Are you going to bring in Hulkageddon 2013 or not? Just to know if I put some ISK aside for it or not.

Nope the null bears/farmers will just dock up or blob up. The reason null is like it is is space renting. All the folks who want to be in null are already there. cruising around in null for small gang pvp will get you killed or bored. Incursions in high sec though will get you rich. BTW the casual player doesn't want to live on his own strength... It takes a long time to be skilled in both industry and combat to be able to live on your own strength. Let the massive alliances have it.

Well, the highsec champios like to equate highsec with a civilized big city.

So how about they have the taxes one would expect in a civilized big city? If you aren't expected to fight for it, you should at least be expected to pay for it.

How about some of these changes;

Players in NPC corps only get 1 factory slot and only in the school stations. It will be cheap and enough for them to do the industry tutorials.

All other players can only use slots in NPC stations that they have good standings with. The slot rental fees should be 10x what they are now and can be brought down with better standings. Seriously, 1000install/333hr is stupidly cheap and not any where near what people in a highly developed big city with unbeatable cops should be paying.

Perfect refine in highsec stations should only be available to people in Faction Warfare corps. A reward for actually fighting for highsec NPC empires. Everyone else should peak out at 2-3% refine tax. Again, to pay for all those awesome stations and NPC police.