EVE General Discussion

Preach It! Corp rules/roles suck. CCP doesn't even provide a way to pay players in a player corp.

First: You are not explaining how a NPC corp is imbalanced to a player run corp.

Second: The devblog is 3 years old and the problems still persist.

Where is the reward in a player run corp for the efforts players sink into them? I believe you are better than this... Do you need more coffee or something?

You're already pointing it out.

Lack of incentive.
If you can do everything but a few specialist type things -IE moon mining, most cap production, super and Titan production- you have no real reason to leave the npc's corps.

Forming one man corps to check out running a PoS isn't really joining a corp either, and a lot of people do that.

There's no benefit to joining a corp. CCP has to deal with the same stuff every other mmo does, encouraging people to join player run groups. It's much more important in EVE though. This is why mmo's do things like guild perks. More xp, better loot drops, etc when you join a guild.

It's why people, raiders, in other mmo's dislike when devs give everyone the same opportunity to achieve things as everyone else. Once upon a time raiding used to be what you did after you joined a guild, now it's what you do while playing solo; without ever having to join a guild.

We may as well start calling it the Generation Q. Lots of people want to play a multiplayer game that thrives on social interaction and working with others like its a single player game. They want to enter a Q and wait their turn to get the same rewards as those people that utilize the mechanics the developers spent time creating so that we could work with others for better rewards.

The NPC corps encourage people to not join a corp.
Everyone's excuse for not joining a corp, mostly always boiling down to it being "the corps" fault, are just that, excuses. There are corporations available in EVE for every play style, even corps full of casual, laid back people who don't force anyone to do anything, just have fun.



You're not supposed to stay in the NPC corps forever, even though you can.
There's no incentive to leave them, it needs to be fixed.

They never followed through on the tax adjustments when the initial increase was obviously not enough. It should go a little higher.

And then they need to remove all T2 production out of high sec stations and into player run structures.

You earn ISK as effectively as everyone else while in the NPC corps when you should be joining player run corps to do that.


EVE revolves around the player run corps, not individuals in the NPC corps.

not sure how the whole rejoining an npc corp thing works, however the character i recently created that hasn't been in a player corp is in a different corp to those who have been in a player corp.

perhaps these npc corps could be wardecced, higher taxes etc that way players just starting out aren't abused by a wardec from the get-go or higher than average taxes, yet once they've taken that step out of the comfort zone they're unable to return to it and must suffer higher taxes and possibilities of war decs as they would in any other corp.

i think npc corps are an annoying necessity, it's like pure PvE servers in WoW where you cant attack other players at all

there will always be casual players, who dont have time to commit to the game and still want to log in and play with spaceships, those are paying customers no MMO dev can afford to ignore

similarly, eve is always more fun with a friend or seven, however there are always dead times, when I feel like playing eve, and all my friends are busy with other stuff, that's what missions are for really

i'm not sure this can be balanced better in an easy way.
ccp cant afford to **** over casual players, and the good way to fix this requires dev attention.
and well.. everything needs dev attention, and there is not an unlimited supply of said dev attention

lastly i dont understand why the casuals and cowards make some people so angry, there are plenty of people who WANT to play, and there will always be a loner in a corner of the school yard playing at stacking rocks

it's a fact of life that seems to translate well over to eve.
sure the loner is missing out, because playing eve solo and risk free is kind of missing the point, but... is that really OUR problem?

The game is not "catering" to everyone.

It's desperately *grasping* to everyone to keep 40-50k online people and not drop back to 6k online like it was in the past.

You can be selective and purist and radical chic only as long as you have somebody else to pay your employees wages. Else it's compromises time. And compromises are always ugly.

and occasionally alliance leader (who is REAL owner of this sov) boots your corp from the alliance.... or alliance just fails and everything is lost.


this is closer to what i personally found for my 2 years in game. Yea, some of corps i've been to were real nice but whole this life looks more than work.

Sounds fun actually. This is the sort of drama that most people pay their sub for

Forcing players into something they don´t want is probably not a good idea to keep them and besides it would not be very "sandboxy", imo.

Instead why not give them "incentives" to leave the NPC corp: Make the NPC tax rate dynamic and dependant on player age: a new player starts with 0% tax which rises by 1 point each month he remains in the NPC corp, up to a limit of 25%. It would "freeze" if the player leaves for a PC corp of course and resumes when he comes back.

The actual mechanism can be discussed, naturally, we don´t want abuse or whatever, but ultimately, it would be the player himself who decides...

player corps are bad. is it a problem? yea. Let's fix it! How? Let's make NPC corps even worse. This is for sure Eve Online fixing way!


add here free game time and i agree.
elsewere..... maybe just shut down servers? it would be a lot easier to fix "player corp problem"



it is already. someone joins player corps, someone - don't. Someone (see my profile) returns after player corps into NPC ones.

Anyway i advice you (al lof you, NPC corp haters and n00b gankers) to just forget about such a stupid ideas. CCP can't afford to lose big part of customers. So they will never do such an easy stupid things like i've quotted here.

Personally i'm not sure if NPC corps are the problem. Yes, they can't be wardecced. And what is the problem? Ship can be killed everywhere. You just need to :effort:. We even got bounties so suicide gankers got some boost.

Want to PVP? There is PVP in Eve Online. You just need to find it.