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Guide: How to Scam Red Frog Freight
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Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#21 - 2012-12-19 02:31:13 UTC
Chandaris wrote:
This post brought to you by the Institute of Slowly and Painfully Working Out the Surprisingly Obvious


Now now, you do this fine institute a disservice. They knew about this concept last year.
Buhhdust Princess
Mind Games.
Suddenly Spaceships.
#22 - 2012-12-19 10:02:40 UTC
I love how the OP tried to make a post about how to scam red frog because he's mad, and in turn actually helped red frog advertise how important it is to set the right collaterol.

:golfclap:
Red Frog Rufen
Red Frog Freight
Red-Frog
#23 - 2012-12-19 11:57:42 UTC
I was requested a couple of time to post this, so just to make sure everyone he might enter in contact with knows who they are dealing with.

he's 2 main characters are

Cpt Bunny and Francois Miron .

Be safe with them around your corp.
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#24 - 2012-12-20 16:58:01 UTC
More like Cpt Dummy and Francois Moron.

(ಠ_ృ) ~ It Takes a Million Years to Become Diamonds So Lets Just Burn Like Coal Until the Sky's Black ~ (ಠ_ృ)
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-12-23 09:40:32 UTC
Maxnano wrote:
Due To Red Frog refusing my Initial extortion demand, I.E. Payment for Non-Publication of this Guide...


Demanding isk for the non disclosure of the trivial guide, is nothing more then laughable. You would have be extraordinary stupid, to believe this garbage has any value what so ever.

Red Frog clearly states how to use their service, and how to set the collateral correctly to avoid someone stealing your cargo. If someone decides to not follow the advice given, in the FAQ which every new customer is told to read before making the contract, well to bad for him.

Q4: How much collateral should I put on the contract?

A: Put an amount equal to or greater than the value of the cargo in the contract. Do NOT put an amount that is less than the value of the items in the contract. The purpose of the collateral is to secure your cargo against destruction or theft. If you put an amount that is less than the value of the cargo, you run the risk that an unscrupulous pilot or a suicide ganker will take the items. It is possible for a pilot to look inside a package and see what it contains, even if it is in a can. Please protect your valuables by setting an accurate collateral.
RF Freight FAQ

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Freighdee Katt
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2012-12-23 19:03:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Freighdee Katt
Piugattuk wrote:
Glad to know Red Frog is completing contracts worth more then collateralBig smilegood honest business folk.

It's more a question of risk for the pilot than honesty. Regardless of how "honest" you think you are, I'm not sure why you would even accept a 30B cargo, since the ISK/jump is paid at a fixed rate, and it's unlikely you're going to make enough to pay for the freighter that you're sure to lose when you get ganked. The 1B collateral limit is there to limit the exposure of haulers, not to protect customers. And as a professional hauler, I'd think you have enough sense to pass on hauling anything with a value high enough to turn you into a sweet sweet pinata of ganktastic goodness.

"Honest" is completing a 0 collateral contract that has a 1B cargo inside. But putting 30B worth of anything in your freighter and undocking . . . well, there are other words for that.

EvE is supposed to suck.  Wait . . . what was the question?
Red Frog Rufen
Red Frog Freight
Red-Frog
#27 - 2012-12-24 14:58:31 UTC
Freighdee Katt wrote:
Piugattuk wrote:
Glad to know Red Frog is completing contracts worth more then collateralBig smilegood honest business folk.

It's more a question of risk for the pilot than honesty. Regardless of how "honest" you think you are, I'm not sure why you would even accept a 30B cargo, since the ISK/jump is paid at a fixed rate, and it's unlikely you're going to make enough to pay for the freighter that you're sure to lose when you get ganked. The 1B collateral limit is there to limit the exposure of haulers, not to protect customers. And as a professional hauler, I'd think you have enough sense to pass on hauling anything with a value high enough to turn you into a sweet sweet pinata of ganktastic goodness.

"Honest" is completing a 0 collateral contract that has a 1B cargo inside. But putting 30B worth of anything in your freighter and undocking . . . well, there are other words for that.



we reject those 0 collateral usually.

as for the over collateral, i'd say 99% of our pilot will contact a director and manage to deliver it nonetheless. so yeah, risk is a factor, but you can't know what's inside before accepting, so you're left with 2 choice, make the honest move and deliver it with the help of the direction, or fail it and get booted.

Kuyomi
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#28 - 2012-12-24 16:42:09 UTC
Red Frog Rufen wrote:



we reject those 0 collateral usually.

as for the over collateral, i'd say 99% of our pilot will contact a director and manage to deliver it nonetheless. so yeah, risk is a factor, but you can't know what's inside before accepting, so you're left with 2 choice, make the honest move and deliver it with the help of the direction, or fail it and get booted.



What do you do with a 1b collateral 30b value contract, IE heavy undercollateralization? To me, failing it seems like the only safe option; putting such a package in a freigher is madness
Red Frog Rufen
Red Frog Freight
Red-Frog
#29 - 2012-12-24 23:51:23 UTC
Kuyomi wrote:
Red Frog Rufen wrote:



we reject those 0 collateral usually.

as for the over collateral, i'd say 99% of our pilot will contact a director and manage to deliver it nonetheless. so yeah, risk is a factor, but you can't know what's inside before accepting, so you're left with 2 choice, make the honest move and deliver it with the help of the direction, or fail it and get booted.



What do you do with a 1b collateral 30b value contract, IE heavy undercollateralization? To me, failing it seems like the only safe option; putting such a package in a freigher is madness



It depend on a lot of factor, but usually we involve a blue frog pilot for that. There are ways to move such value which I wont discuss here.

Freighdee Katt
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2012-12-26 18:15:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Freighdee Katt
Red Frog Rufen wrote:
It depend on a lot of factor, but usually we involve a blue frog pilot for that. There are ways to move such value which I wont discuss here.

I thought it was now possible to peek into plastic wrap prior to contract acceptance. I'm not sure exactly when that happened, but I believe it flew by in some patch notes in recent releases. I also think that I have inadvertently "discovered" this feature in game, while contracting stuff back and forth between alts. I could be wrong though.

It's up to you all of course, but it sounds like you're being unduly generous to customers by going out of your way to make Blue Frog hauls at Red Frog rates on these undercollateralized contracts (assuming Blue Frog rates are actually higher). If you're delivering them on the original Red Frog contract but making a Blue Frog run behind the scenes, then you're kind of inviting customers to play dumb and take advantage of you (especially since this "accomodation" is now advertised in this thread).

Even if the contract was already accepted, it seems like a better intervention would be to just contract the items back to the customer and send a polite mail inviting them to submit it to Blue Frog instead.

EvE is supposed to suck.  Wait . . . what was the question?
Dimitryy
Silent Knights.
LinkNet
#31 - 2012-12-28 01:57:33 UTC
I Dont Understand Why OP To Capitalize Every Other word In His Post. It makes Things Really hard to Read and Adds an un-natural Emphesis To his Words.
Red Frog Rufen
Red Frog Freight
Red-Frog
#32 - 2012-12-28 05:14:17 UTC
Freighdee Katt wrote:
Red Frog Rufen wrote:
It depend on a lot of factor, but usually we involve a blue frog pilot for that. There are ways to move such value which I wont discuss here.

I thought it was now possible to peek into plastic wrap prior to contract acceptance. I'm not sure exactly when that happened, but I believe it flew by in some patch notes in recent releases. I also think that I have inadvertently "discovered" this feature in game, while contracting stuff back and forth between alts. I could be wrong though.

It's up to you all of course, but it sounds like you're being unduly generous to customers by going out of your way to make Blue Frog hauls at Red Frog rates on these undercollateralized contracts (assuming Blue Frog rates are actually higher). If you're delivering them on the original Red Frog contract but making a Blue Frog run behind the scenes, then you're kind of inviting customers to play dumb and take advantage of you (especially since this "accomodation" is now advertised in this thread).

Even if the contract was already accepted, it seems like a better intervention would be to just contract the items back to the customer and send a polite mail inviting them to submit it to Blue Frog instead.



you can't peek at the content of a courier contract before accepting it.

When we send the contract to blue frog, we ask the customer to pay the difference, of course!

sending the item back means you need to fail the contract, and we hate failed contract. :)
Red Frog Rufen
Red Frog Freight
Red-Frog
#33 - 2012-12-28 05:14:42 UTC
Dimitryy wrote:
I Dont Understand Why OP To Capitalize Every Other word In His Post. It makes Things Really hard to Read and Adds an un-natural Emphesis To his Words.


it's probably related to him being.. well.. you know.

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