EVE General Discussion

Now? People have been referring to eve's pvp as pvppppppp since I started playing at the very least, and that was back in 06. And again, this comes down to this: If you dislike one of the core aspects of the game, then you don't really like eve.

It really isn't. We're not talking about some small issue here, like a balance aspect or a certain ship class. We're talking about one of the core, central aspects of the game. Not liking how eve pvp works at its core is like not liking that eve is a spaceship game; if you dislike one, you dislike the game as a whole, and what you REALLY want is something superficially LIKE eve.

As for the issue of what it would do to people pvping, consider this:

Every person who decides to start pvping in arenas will likely stop pvping in open space. It has been said many times in this thread that people who prey on pvpers with no skill are lame, but what about the people who shoot said predators? And the people who shoot those people? Fewer people in open pvp means less targets for EVERYONE, which in turn makes arenas that more attractive, pulling more people away from open pvp etc.

Without targets floating around there goes the thrill of the hunt, the quickened pulse, the shaky hands that start up BECAUSE you know damn well that this fight may well be a trap and you know damn well that one way or another, it won't be fair. That's what makes eve's pvp great. You want fair? Go play something else, because of all the things that eve is, fair 'aint one of 'em.

I suggest virtual arenas with bets and tournaments... All arranged from inside stations.

Virtual - emulation, special environment where you can not run away or interfere with others.

For arenas to work, it would have to not detract from regular PVP that already happens.

This is the worst idea ever.
No.
Just, no.

The only people who really think PvP or even solo is dead are those without the courage to really go and look. Forget the mountain of killboards to back up the idea that PvP happens all the time and the dev post about how a ship has exploded once every 6 seconds while the server has been active. Everyone who uses the map and is REALLY looking for players to shoot never seems to have any trouble finding fights. Granted once you get into a populated system you have to size up the situation and possibly bait or otherwise setup a favorable outcome and it can sometimes take a while but you can certainly get it done. Arenas would dumb it all the way down to the point where anyone with a mouse can click the giant red button and bypass their incompetence for at least as long as it takes to get into the arena.

I find the players tag themselves with the term PvP far too easily in this game. About 40% of the kills I've ever gotten never even locked me much less fired a shot and 90% of those were in corps that "do PvP", perhaps they missed the meeting. These are ships that are combat capable and fitted no less, I do not farm haulers (not to say you are safe from me in one). Lose the fear and go for it rather than insisting you have to be told what to expect at all times. Try this: commit yourself to losing some ships in PvP AND commit yourself to dying in a GLORIOUS fire. Don't just warp to grid, get tackled before you warp back out again and meekly try to escape and end up dying in a fire that could easily be overshadowed by lighting a fart.

You might even win and you might even like it.

Seems impossible to me.

If you are fighting in arenas you are not fighting elsewhere. Lots of people will be attracted by the ease of it and will leave other PvP behind. It seems to me that if you wanted to kill normal PvP in EVE, arenas are the fastest and easiest way to do it. Sov warfare and whatnot will likely not really change much but the small gang scene would pretty much completely dry up and all those great videos that have come out throughout the years would dry up as well.

Lots of people have posted large scale fleet fight videos but has anyone ever really been interested in watching one? There are far too many people there for me to give a rat's ass what happens to anyone in particular and I give less than a rat's ass which entity wins. No one is going to do anything that stands out as awesome. It's just going to be boring television, on par with bad reception.

Sure you could post arena footage but it would get really routine really quickly and is less exciting to watch because you know no one else is going to show up unexpectedly. It will get especially boring when the ridiculously overtanked fits show up, trust me it would happen an awful lot. When I was in Heretics I lost track of the number of 1v1s people in corp won while taking 20 mins to do it because they had to run a zero dps fit with a full cargo bay out of cap charges, or had to call a draw because they ran out of ammo.

I can't imagine arenas could ever be good for the PvP lifestyle.

you completely ignore players who don't do "normal PvP in Eve" (you sure we can use "normal" here?). Reasons are different but those players DON"T DO IT already.
And if arena can get them to PvP (it will get me at least, see below) - i guess this would help the whole game to become more interesting.

And yes, i have killboard stats. And yes, 30+ kills for last month but this is not PvP. This is KM whoring
Why i don't do PvP? Because i see how "experienced PvPers" do it. You fight one - you fight logi/bumper/booster/etc.... You get someone to "1vs1" and get suspect to start action somewhere near far planet? Fool! Some "neutrals" warp in when you already pointed and kill you. You don't need to leave major trade hubs to see it.

However should we have PvP you can be proud of - i would play it. I've tried 1vs1 when it was possible. Killed someone, got killed several times. It is fun.

So i guess many "bears" will do - try "PvP".

Yes please. I love betting in sports events, and if i can bet ISK in EVE all the better.

It just doesn't make sense to NOT have arenas.

It doesn't have to be for large scale battles. "Safe" or "legitimate" 1v1s in a high-sec arena would not break PvP.

There is no reason to not have them lore or storywise.

The game just doesn't make sense without them, it's like, why the **** wouldn't a game with as much combat as Eve have an arena?

The people saying "No," and "Oh it's a bad idea," are seriously ********. You don't have to use the arena if you don't like it.

You've changed me way of looking at it. Thank you.

Not sarcasm btw