EVE General Discussion

Little off topic to prove how strange people play this game with different objectives than "make gobs of ISK": I have been expecially impacted by the drone alloys nerf.

As long as I could remain in null sec and WHs I could mine high ends but I have been RL forced to become casual and play few minutes a day so no more direct mining in null sec.
I started doing some high sec missions to get the high ends in the form of drone alloys (i.e. the missions others skipped are those I wanted to do) because I am an ancient player (MUDs era) of those who take immense pride at self crafting their stuff.

I created and create for myself from the tiniest ammo bullet to my Jump Freighter, from my first Rifter to my capitals, including researching and then using BPOs to create from the smallest rigs to making the faction items off BPCs (grinding hard standings with the industry NPC corps for 3 empires) and not buying the faction items themselves.
I created all my (alts) POSes, every POS module, Orcas, Freighters, battleships, Macks, Hulks blockade runners, cov ops... just everything and all from BPOs I researched myself in my own facilities.
I even grind my own POS charters and fuels and PI to make fuels and all of this when I could just snap a finger and buy all that stuff.

That's a portion of my end game (the rest being trading and other) and I have known others who are even more involved than me.
One day I'll find somebody willing to let me build a SC and Titan I'll have made from mining all the minerals up to the last mod. That's my end game.

Sure it did. The wardec mechanics are the same in high sec as they are in Null. How are they different? I think it is silly that some people say "darn high sec just got more fun. Now they will never come out to Null and suffer like the rest of us." I'll say it again. High sec is fine. Its the other space that needs improving.

Wet toilette paper holds up better than your arguments. You post stuff without anything to back it up. Do you need a energy drink or something? High sec is fine. CCP is completely able to buff Null and low sec when they get good and ready. They don't need to nerf high sec at all.

You are misunderstanding my post, it has nothing to do with barge hp, or concord response times. It is purely about the fact that unlike low/null the only way a group mining in highsec an proactively defend thier ops is to wardec and shoot to kill the enemies that may come to harass them. That completely ignores the whole point of kill on site any neutral who may/may not be a threat.

Concord is slow, so gank squads have plenty of time to do thier thing im not saying ganking should be banned. I am saying that in high sec, the gankers have the advantage because they know they will lose thier ships and they plan for it, all gank no tank, they dont fit faction guns and officer lows its cheap stuff that costs a few m each hardly a loss but with some organisation a cheapo fit gank fleet can smash any highsec target and that target cannot do a thing untill after the first shots have been made (by which time its too late for most).

I can garentee that the guys in low/null will not hesitate for a nanosecond if a neutral randomly wanders into thier fleet op, that ship will be blasted off the field with immediate focused aggression. Highsec does not have that option. THats all i meant by that post.

I said it in previous posts over the months thats buffing barges wasnt really necessary and that a smart player could keep thier assets "safe" from the casual ganker

War dec mechanics are not the same in 0.0 as they are in hi-sec because they have no effect at all in 0.0.

Thanks for destroying my faith in humanity. It's just what I wanted for Christmas.

Null-sec has the opportunity to be completely free of Hi-sec goods and services, just stop buying from Jita. Not a hard concept eh? Spend less isk on adding more supers to your already over-massive blobs and put that isk into buffing your own industry. If demand for hi-sec goods dries up then hi-sec should stop producing, correct? You have to make null look more attractive to indy players than hi-sec, and to do that the first thing you need to do is stop buying from them, and start building your own stuff.

Stop supporting the system you hate.

you do know that the 4 different station types do different things right? so if you want production then you have to build ammarian stations, caldari for science, gallente for your little corp offices, and minmatar for refining.

and i agree, you'll never be able to match hi-sec in output capacity. so don't try, build for yourselves.

( I will read the entire thread thread after work, and will amend my statements then if needed)

In this respect, null sec players are right and you are wrong. And CCP with you.

Thanks for chiming in with a half ton of ignorance.

It helps to understand WHAT is being imported and WHY.

It also helps to understand that the game economy MUST have a connection. CCP has it designed specifically so that null and high sec both act as important cogs in a wheel. Things are supposed to be moving from null to high and high to null.

You CAN'T just stop buying from Jita, nor does that even address the underlying issue.


Just like CCP did with the ships, working from the bottom up to rebalance, they need to work bottom up with the rest of the game.

The NPC corps need to be readjusted to have the more advanced, general activities, moved to player run corps.
Then they need to revamp the PoS's so that player run corps have better control over them, and allow for high sec corps to run stations in kind of the same way as null does.

Take T2 production from the NPC stations, move it to player run ones, and give corporations the ability to allow public use of manufacturing lines that people in the NPC corps could use to do T2 production.

Allow T2 production in NPC stations at a slightly increased cost over player run statins, and null stations should be on par with high sec player run structures.


Everyone should have the option to stay in the NPC corps, but the NPC corps shouldn't be the BEST option; which it currently is.

In truth, the real problem isn't that they don't want a "nerf" in high sec, it's that CCP devs have been saying for some time now exactly what they don't want to hear.

CCP doesn't want you staying in the NPC corps, which is being exploited for it's ease and safety; they want you in player corporations. They've been talking about ways to incentivize joining corps, and they've been talking about doing it by making isk payouts lower while in them, as well as pulling some of the more advanced activities and dropping them in low and null.

Ship balancing should be done by the end of '13, and some of these guys aren't stupid. They know exactly what's coming when they finish ship balancing, or even during the final rounds of it.

A "high sec" nerf is brewing, they see it, and they're worried about.

CCP knows what the problem is, and they've been making very concerted efforts to get things in order. There will be a rebalancing of high sec and null, and I'm willing to guarantee you it'll start with a nerf to NPC corps, that will put more of the content in the hands of the player run corporations; where it's belonged from the very beginning.


EVE revolves around player run corps, not individuals how stay in the NPC corps because it's the easiest way to play with no actual loss of reward.

That's why I enjoy these threads so much. Some of us are discussing more or less what's going to happen and our own opinions on it, while the rest are running around screaming under the delusion that they have some ability to stop it.

Winter is coming.