EVE General Discussion

I started 3 months after dominion was released. what was soo bad about it. As a new player, when tyranis nerfed the loot table, that killed me.

If apocrypha introduced wh, t3, sleeper ai. How can that level of new content be labeled an expansion, and everything since also be labeled an expansion. We should demand that level of new content with every expansion. It shouldnt be a once every 10 years.

the best 2 are

Revelations II the epic intro music this was the expand that let me feel like god

and

Retribution This is the best so far

worst

Dominion < but the trailer give me ghostbumbs one of the best trailler the ever made.

Inferno

surprised not to see tyrannis being mentioned as one of the worst. easily second to incarna

with all that dominion still provided for orders of magnitude more sandbox gameplay than tyrannis and incarna combined

new tech and 18 months killed the hype for me... still waiting to get excited enough to reactivate my alts...

Best

Red Moon Rising. It added a ton of content :
Carriers, Moms, Titans, Barges , Dictors, Recons, Command Ships, Jump clones, COSMOS, Remote research/production, Drone skills, Ewar drones

Apocrypha:
Wormholes/sleepers and everything that came with them, Skill queue (I do not miss alarm clock skill changes)

Worse

Incarna.... What can be said about Incarna?
I would have been less offended if CCP had just spit in my face, kicked me in the balls and took my wallet.

There isn't even another expansion I can flat out label as worthless. They all added SOMETHING of value, except Incarna.

Its hard to quantify the best however,

Red Moon Rising - allowed me to kill jetcanning isk farmers & generally full of features [bloodlines, loads of new ships etc]

Revelations [both of them] - added boosters, salvaging, rigs, reinvented probing, tier 3 battleships, tier 2 battlecruisers, heat.

Worst

Incarna - the main feature was not ready, not even a glorified beta

Tyrannis - PI, new scorpion model, landmarks and thats about it.

[that wayback link shows the Gallente Federation used to be called the Remanaquie Federation, as a sidenote].

Best:

Apocrypha (March 10, 2009) - EVE reinvented itself back then. Special thanks goes to whoever wrote the backstory leading to and for Apocrypha. It still is one of the best science fiction pieces that I have read in the last couple of years.

Retribution (December 4, 2012) - A major step in iteration that we all listened about for years. It almost feels like a fresh start, which is a good thing for a 10 years old game.

Worst:
Dominion (December 1, 2009) - Lag, black screens, lag, memory leaks, lag... and some more lag. It was almost unplayable. But hey, not all of it was bad - we could at least look at one of the best EVE trailers and wish that one day we can play in fleets again.

Incarna (June 21, 2011) - I thought: That's it. This is as far as EVE will go and its ending right now. The trade hub riots were, at least for me, one last party before the end. Fortunately (and with a lot of sacrifice from CCP's side), that was not the case and we now have an open dialogue with devs and game polishing that was much needed. The problems with this expansion were as much technical as they were economical in nature. A combination of piled up game mechanics and balancing problems, bugs, lack of iteration on features that had great potential (Factional warfare, for example), lag, overpriced NeX store, leaked newsletter about "golden ammo", leaked mail from CCPs management ignoring (at that time) the red flags everywhere, "The doors" that crippled the game and were turning me away from even logging in, GPU overheating problems with CQ which was published when only a quarter of the whole feature was done (Minmatar only). But CCP showed that they are not like other companies that would follow the wrong path until the ship sinks. Nope, they have seen the errors and worked hard on fixing them, which is something I deeply respect. I still think that NeX store has its future and potential to be a valuable addition to the game after critical stuff is done (we are half way there already), just not in the form that was presented with Incarna.

I might add that Red Moon Rising (December 16, 2005) will be always in my heart, because that was the expansion I started with. Until Retribution, I thought that the login screen music of RMR was one of the best (along with "Stellar Shadows" from The Second Genesis). But Retribution's login screen managed to beat RMR.

I started playing during Apocrypha and so I never really got to appreciate that expansion to it's fullest.

So for me, the two best have been Crucible, and Retribution.

Incarna flopped really really hard. So that is obviously the worst. For me, it is the worst because of how much potential it had, and how much it actually delivered. Lots of potential, almost 0 content. Don't get me wrong, I love CQ. But most of CQ was actually delivered to us in Crucible, if you really think about it. Followed, for me, by Dominion. Because it's the only expansion I don't really remember, and never really got excited about.

best: Revelations and Apocrypha

worst: incarna (WiS) and retribution (because of the AI)