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Titan Bridges… Fair or Not?

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Typherian
V.O.I.D.
Pandemic Legion
#81 - 2012-12-21 11:38:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Typherian
eh it isn't really laughable. And I don't know bout you specifically but I've been hotdropped in a situation like you stated more than once and to be honest you either are quick enough on your feet to escape or you die. Thats the point of a titan bridge it is the ONLY way to reliably ambush someone in an age of neutral scouts in all directions. Also while yes there are groups that hotdrop blob on anything that moves that is no different than sitting on a highsec gate blapping anything that jumps in. One just requires a scout cyno to move around to find the target. Also in my time in lowsec I can't think of a single fight larger than 5v5 that involved gate jumping. I can however think of dozens of instances where a fleet that outnumbered my group quite heavily ran away as soon as we were spotted a few jumps out by their scouts. We later slipped a cyno in and got a good fight out of them with a titan bridge. Without the bridge they would just be able to continue their risk adverse blobbing while using their scouts to run at the first sign of anything resembling a fair fight. Also most people with titans aren't completely random never before seen types. They are mostly well known and if they aren't they get that way VERY quickly as well as their cyno alts and scouts. Removing titan bridges will reduce PvP not increase it IMO.


EDIT: on the using RR for crashing gate camps comment. That RR is useless if they just run to station as soon as you are scouted a ways out.
Ynot Eyob
Nisroc Angels
The Obsidian Front - Reborn
#82 - 2012-12-21 11:55:57 UTC
Dragnarok wrote:
Typherian wrote:
Titan bridges are the only way to deal with cowardly scrubs that run at the sight of anything close to their size. Make local not such an easy intel tool and then you can fiddle with bridges. Scout alts + easy intel local = no surprise at all without a titan bridge. A lot of people in this thread have been saying there is no risk in titan bridging. Well I'll counter there is no risk in camping a gate or station with scouts in all directions multiple jumps out. Nearly impossible to kill unless they are asleep at the keyboard.

Edit: Add to that fleets shooting pocos or POSes.


I do see where you are coming from, and how a lot of people would just gang up on even a shuttle. But let me spin it right back at you. Don't you think that those cowardly scrubs if they had a titan would actually start using it to blob a shuttle? (obviously not a shuttle, cause that would be just sad, but you get my exaggeration). And as for countering a gate camp... I've seen successful gate-camp crashes from a much smaller fleet... the power of Remote Repairs (RR) is impressive. Now tell me, how can you counter an alliance who bridges on you whom you have never heard of, or a group of individuals with nothing in common suddenly hotdropping on you (yeah, not the same corp, not the same alliance, but they had one thing in common... they all came from a titan bridge).

Now my good sir, be so kind and tell me, what kind of modules in EvE can counter Titan-Bridges, just as RR ships can counter a gate camp? Don't start preaching you can set out scouts to find the titans and blah blah blah. Work with the scenario I told you, cause it is exactly what happened to us. So? Any clever thoughts? Let me add some more flavor to this... You have never seen them in your PIPE or even in the high-sec systems around your hunting ground. So? Any clever solutions?

If you got nothing, then maybe you need to think a little more. And maybe you should start realizing that comparing a gatecamp risk's factor with that of a Titan-Bridge's risk as being zero... is a laughfable statement, and even those who use Titans (but wouldn't admit what I am about to state openly) for bridging are having a good laughter by now.

I believed I told someone before, that this is not an Amateur Comedy show for you to debue


So what you are actually asking here, is how the industrial hauler, jumping into your gatecamp is going to avoid getting ganked? Where is the different, from a titan brigde and a lonly hauler jumping into your camp. Small fish, bigger fish, large fish.

Nisroc - Angel of Freedom Nisroc is known as "The Great Eagle".

psycho freak
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#83 - 2012-12-22 01:44:22 UTC  |  Edited by: psycho freak
Lmfao op i dnt think you belong in losec

nothing wrong with bridgeing on targets have done it and have had it done to me

if you cant adapt to your area gtfo

Its not that hard realy it isnt a lttle teamwork and youll see it before it happens

Edit: is it just me or latly eve seems full of whineing pansys that want get the game changed to suit them almost every thread is a whine or nurf thread

try enjoying the game for what it is eve everyone vs everyone go play ffs

my spelling sux brb find phone number for someone who gives a fu*k

nop cant find it

Cat Casidy
Percussive Diplomacy
Sedition.
#84 - 2012-12-22 03:05:21 UTC
Dragnarok wrote:




And if you are intelligent, you would not respond and continue this pointless discussion


Couldn't have said it better myself actually. Roll

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Eternal Error
Doomheim
#85 - 2012-12-22 03:50:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternal Error
Dragnarok wrote:
[quote=Chandaris] But, Chandaris, you say you would show up with 5 BC's and we will run like roaches, that is CAUSE you cyno every single ship you can. Well, maybe not every ship, but most of them. And the reason we chase you with a 15 man fleet with logi is cause one of your 5 BC's will cyno and drop a fleet of 30 over our heads like you have done in the past. Thanks for showing interest in my Forum-Post. I do appreciate it :)

But, if you guys are willing to 5 vs 5 us, we got no problem at all, we would actually enjoy that fight very much. But we will have to do it when you Log-Off your Titan pilots... all 5 of them. When that happens, we will fight you 5 vs 5... although I am a little dubious that some of your guys if not all, will honor the 5 vs 5 duel.

This part of your post is hilariously wrong.

Also, shadow cartel honors all pre-arranged fights.
Vanths
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#86 - 2012-12-22 04:34:57 UTC
Life isn't fair, why should EVE be?
masternerdguy
Doomheim
#87 - 2012-12-23 00:35:06 UTC  |  Edited by: masternerdguy
Wey'oun wrote:
show me on the doll where the nasty piwates hotdropped you


seriously all these people bitching about titan hotdrops. its easily avoidable just get scouts in the titan home systems, be intelligent, its not difficult. This new eve attitude is what is killing eve. 'oh noes somthign that beats me, i must forum complain about the mechanics rather than think of a solution via ingame methods'


DnD defends hotdropping? No wayBig smile

EDIT: Titans are fine, they've been nerfed enough in their life.

Things are only impossible until they are not.

Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#88 - 2012-12-23 14:40:05 UTC
I think the main issue i have with the OP is that hes taking a situation which is very rare - a totally unknown entity with titan bridge capability bridges a fleet onto your gang - and spinning it like its something that happens all the time.

As has been said multiple times throughout the thread entities that use titans this way dont stay unknown, they get noticed, end up with a rep for hot dropping and people start avoiding them or setting traps for them because of it. Once that happens you either adapt your doctrine or spend a lot of time staring at a titans ass as people run away from your gangs.

Pirates - The Invisible Fist of Darwin

you're welcome

ALUCARD 1208
Naga's Be Trippin
#89 - 2012-12-23 16:20:56 UTC

seems OP is looking for fair fights in his post but then we find out hes a gate camper who just wants to gank 1/2 ppl jumping unsuspecting thru gates and wen someone drops him when hes not expecting it cries ... also seems a little jelous of those that can afford to buy/own a titan.. that green eyed envy monster is bad for u mate but if u do want one grind like those who own one had to.... ur tears are delicious
Wolfsdragoon
V0LTA
New Eden Alliance 99013733
#90 - 2012-12-24 09:55:58 UTC
Wait OP you're telling me that the most expensive class of ship in the game is giving people a tactical advantage?



whaaaaat?!!?!
Chandaris
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#91 - 2012-12-24 16:34:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Chandaris
Dragnarok wrote:
Chandaris... my dear Chandaris... You are Shadow Cartel... You guys are capable of fleeting a good set of ships that compliment one another.


You mean a handful of ****** t1 bc's, a scout and maybe a repper? Because that's about the scariest thing we've ever roamed into your home system in.. We keep downshipping in the hopes we might actually get a fight out of you guys :P You know you're capable of fielding that sort of a fleet too, right?

Dragnarok wrote:
Everyone... Chandaris is part of the alliance I was talking about that they have hotdropped us, but unlike the other alliances hotdropping us, they got skills. But, Chandaris, you say you would show up with 5 BC's and we will run like roaches, that is CAUSE you cyno every single ship you can. Well, maybe not every ship, but most of them. And the reason we chase you with a 15 man fleet with logi is cause one of your 5 BC's will cyno and drop a fleet of 30 over our heads like you have done in the past. Thanks for showing interest in my Forum-Post. I do appreciate it :)

But, if you guys are willing to 5 vs 5 us, we got no problem at all, we would actually enjoy that fight very much. But we will have to do it when you Log-Off your Titan pilots... all 5 of them. When that happens, we will fight you 5 vs 5... although I am a little dubious that some of your guys if not all, will honor the 5 vs 5 duel.


Go through our loss boards and see how many ships we lose that are fit w/ Cynos.. Go on, you will have a hard time finding any.

If you had any ability to intel-gather at all, you would know that respecting 1v1's and pre-arranged fights is a founding principle of our alliance, and failure to comply with that golden rule on the part of anyone of our pilots results in ejection from our corp.

It's not like it's not written on our alliance description or anything.

TL;DR Yes, titan bridging is a bit broken. too bad you are complaining about all the wrong things.
Andre Vauban
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#92 - 2012-12-24 18:33:21 UTC
Hmmm, there are both good and bad things about Titan bridges. However, the root of the problem is broken 0.0 and "too much" force projection. The former leads to bored groups, the latter gives this bored groups the ability to drop onto fights they shouldn't care about. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2312397#post2312397. This is my solution, as it will stop the lame hot dropping, but still keep it as a valid tactic should you be too close to a bigger/better group than you. You need the rapid force projection, but at the same time it needs to be distance bound. In other words, don't venture into the lions den, but other than that the lion is too busy sleeping. Unless you poke him in the eye he won't be bothered to wake up and kill you.

The other goal of my proposal is to make 0.0 bigger. This should open up 0.0 to smaller groups currently living in npc null or low sec because they refuse to either lose their identity by joining a bloc or become a pet.

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Tar Omrir
Bregan D'aerthe.
#93 - 2012-12-24 19:35:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Tar Omrir
Ok my two cents:

1. Lol stop whining

2. Some real ideas:

First, if you make titans only able to bridge in null systems. If you just made the Titan go with the ships it would solve a lots if problems. People wouldn't want to risk their shiny Titan. Add main thence cost of 100 bil a week somehow, and massively increase the cost of the hull(A tril?) that will wack down proliferation. Also make it so that a Titan can only be cynoed onto a carrier equipped with a capital cyno mod. When the cyno was up it would take 60 seconds to complete the jump. Make the mass it very small, maybe enough for 5 cruisers, but make it able to bridge 2,500 pods, and boost up the ship hangar size to maybe 100 battleships worth of m3. "WTF why would u do that?" u ask. Well this would make the people who were bridging actually plan and throw a POS down with lots of shops in it to the system they were bridging into. This would take some time for all the people to ship out, giving the defenders plenty of warning if they are smart. It also removes hot drops in effect, and it would make bridging far more dangerous especially since the Titan would be jumping too. Another element of this change would be that you could only bridge from a system that u hold sov in. Not only that, but if u only hold sov in just that system, u can only bridge 5ly. If you are bridging from a constellation that you hold all the sov in u bridge 10ly. If u cantrolle a region u bridge 15ly. This adds insentive to actually defend all your system, and it massively cuts Titan jump range. If more then one jump portal is active in a constellation then any othertitans trying to bridge in that system can only jump half of what their range would have been. Titans get a slight dmg and tracking boost to offset these nerfs. In fact, they are able to apply about 5 battleships worth of dps (around 3000) to subcaps BC and up. However, whenever a sub capital weapon hits a Titan it ignores all resist, rigs, or reinforcers that the Titan might have fitted. Skills and implants still give bonuses, but omplanrs are only half as effective. So sure, u can absolutely destroy a subcaps fleet with 50 titans, but 5 titans, maybe even ten, will die. What happens when ure bubbled and a enemy nags sniper fleet gets yah? Lol isk efficiency for that battle is gone. Sure u killed 150 battleships, but u lost 20 titans. That balnces titans fairly nicely I think.

All this was done on a iPhone so forgive grammar and spelling.

Tar Omrir, Chairman, Cygnus Industries

Bluetippedflyer
Fallen Rabbits
#94 - 2012-12-24 23:57:10 UTC
there are too many lowsec baddies posting here, whining about how ppl don't visit their home lowsec systems anymore and that they need a titan to catch anything
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#95 - 2012-12-25 09:51:17 UTC
kraiklyn Asatru wrote:
Would you like some cheese with that?

Boo, other people have ISK and friends and can do things I can't. Yes the titan is safe, but the titan isn't fighting you is it. They still risk their bait and fleet, no different than any gang. You are just butthurt and jealous. Next time prepare and either gank their bait or snipe etc. I see no problem with titan bridges. Not that hard to not fall for bait, titan bridging is not OP Its just a luxury, a 100b isk luxury., one they van lose witha single fuckup. Guess what someone had to grind for that titan, you dont want to, thats your choice. You are just jealous and thus cry nerf.

I dont have access to a titan butmy corp could grind the isk and we just might, when we do ill think. Of you and your tears.

Titans arent the problem you are.


you'r so funny Cool

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"

Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#96 - 2012-12-25 17:47:08 UTC
Bluetippedflyer wrote:
there are too many lowsec baddies posting here, whining about how ppl don't visit their home lowsec systems anymore and that they need a titan to catch anything


Didnt squids kill your titan recently?
Bluetippedflyer
Fallen Rabbits
#97 - 2012-12-26 06:02:28 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Bluetippedflyer wrote:
there are too many lowsec baddies posting here, whining about how ppl don't visit their home lowsec systems anymore and that they need a titan to catch anything


Didnt squids kill your titan recently?


nope, i helped kill one tho.

anywho you're making your corp look like **** when you start posting zero content (kinda like your pvp style i imagine)
Dread Operative
Lowlife.
Snuffed Out
#98 - 2012-12-26 07:31:34 UTC
Bluetippedflyer wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Bluetippedflyer wrote:
there are too many lowsec baddies posting here, whining about how ppl don't visit their home lowsec systems anymore and that they need a titan to catch anything


Didnt squids kill your titan recently?


nope, i helped kill one tho.

anywho you're making your corp look like **** when you start posting zero content (kinda like your pvp style i imagine)


Not really, we all manage to do that on my own.
Armeggeda iscariah
Ganja Labs
Exodus.
#99 - 2012-12-26 07:35:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Armeggeda iscariah
"wahhh i got titanbridged on , nerf titans wahhh" Getting titan bridged on is like getting scammed , if you fall for it then you deserve it.

Titan bridging is easy to counter , be prepared for it or warp the **** off when a cyno goes up instead of going "Hmmm..there's a shiney orb next to the ship we are Ganking....i should do something....but what is it.....HMMMMMMM...OH YES , I SHOULD GET THE **** OUT."
( Here's a kicker. If you get bridged on , you were most likely ganking somebody. But you probably forgot that with the cry's of terror when you saw a cyno huh and went "that's unfair! i was ganking this poor soul!" Roll )

Anywho....
There is a considerable delay between jumping through a bridge to a cyno and loading grid. also if you account for the pilot(s) reaction time to actually click jump , load grid and lock you up it's about 4-6 seconds. PLENTY of time for you to make a decision to warp off, burn away or brawl. You may lose the poor scrub who got tackled but this is eve, **** explodes all the time.
If you find this unfair , go back to highsec where you belong because you aren't in the correct mindset to be in low/null.

Hail Satan.

March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#100 - 2012-12-26 16:37:04 UTC
Chandaris wrote:

If you had any ability to intel-gather at all, you would know that respecting 1v1's and pre-arranged fights is a founding principle of our alliance, and failure to comply with that golden rule on the part of anyone of our pilots results in ejection from our corp.

It's not like it's not written on our alliance description or anything.

i stopped to believe to word written in public accessible places... i dunno.... like 20 years ago?

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"