EVE General Discussion

What they are saying is quite contradicting:

"You hi seccers don't create content, all you do is industry, AFK (obviously!) mining and trading! No news come from that!"

"We null seccers, instead, want to become able to do industry, mine and trade. We create great news!

Anyone able to spot the odd?

It doesn't matter if people play in highsec, lowsec or nullsec, what matters the most is EvE Online risk/reward balance.

Yeah who could forget all those attempts that CCP have made to "push people out" of hi sec. 3 CONCORD buffs, 2 increases to hi-sec belt spawn rates, raising all agents to +20 Quality, Incursions, Crimewatch, removing drone alloys, the mining barge buff, a bounty system, war-dec nerfs - WHEN WILL THIS BRUTAL PERSECUTION OF HI-SEC STOP???

Nerfing high sec would hurt null and low sec even more. If profits in hi sec were reduced prices of materials would just rise and get passed onto the manufacturers who then pass that increase onto the players who need a constant supply of pvp ships and fittings. Null sec industry needs buffing so it can compete with high sec, this will aid everyone as the competitition would lower prices. High seccers would not make as much profit as before but would not be forced to enter low/null sec (which to be honest is the real reason why low/null seccers want high sec nerfed) where they risk being shot at at every gate they jump through.

For null to become appealing to industrialists it would have to be safer and would non industrialists want a safer null sec.

Maybe if you low and null seccers stopped shooting barges and transports just for the sake of it then maybe a nerf/buff would not be needed as industry would then be viable but lets be honest, this thread is just a whine about not being able to shoot at players who have no interest in ship to ship pvp

Confirming that everything you listed is only available in high sec.

I am not confused at all, I just don't share your opinion.
Also, if Tippia would come here to do 5000 times more in depth nitpicking than I'd ever dream to do, you'd crowdclap him/her because he could be sharing your opinions.

Your weak counter-points do not impress me.

I plentily agree with a LOT of what Goons say (not with you, you have yet to say who the hell are you talking for when you say "we", "us").
I don't agree with the timing nor the reckless and unchecked for changes they'd want to impose to the game, like CCP are not already some good masters at borking stuff working since years.

Also, I don't agree with minimizing the nerfs needed. I just read above somebody talking 5k isk vs 1k ISK. Be real, the only functioning and "incentivizing enough" nerfs to make null sec alts go to null sec would be to completely destroy hi sec industry.
They are off a factor of *1000* to say the least.
I don't even believe any MMO nerfed something by 1000 ever. Even NGE was not as destructive.

I don't recall CCP posting hundreds of "let's make hi sec people move to low and null" in the last years.
Do you?

I recall certain players doing that and CCP doing exactly the opposite.


Edit:

I see you are also bending to ideology and that is not good, the game needs free thinkers of your rank.

The CONCORD buffs, do you mean closing exploits like boomerang? That's not a nerf, that's just closing a gaping hole.
Who caused the "nerf"? You guess it, those who suddenly started doing it so much (and posting on GD how to do it even more) that CCP promoted it from "who really cares?" status to "we must fix it NAO!".
That was stupid, exaggerated self damaging game play from a certain alliance players, not a nerf. As I said in an earlier post: "do your greed know no limits"? When there are no limits, we end in those situations where the police has to deal with those irresponsible who can't stop themselves and then the police stops them (sometimes dead).

2 increases to belt spawn rates: this is a nerf as ISK is concerned, more abundance = less profit. CCP did not make it to please te ebil hi seccers but because trit + scordite were simply not enough. Hell, I got emptied belts in **Concord territory, in secluded systems with no stations!**

Raising agents to Q20 = WRONG change that should be immediately reverted. Q20 = more ISK faucet and most of all they pushed the remaining good SOE combat agents out of Gallente space and put them in Caldari space (another big wrong move). It's been a massive kick in the balls to 2 empires missioneers.

Removing drone allowys = massive and WRONGly implemented hi sec nerf. I could easily (and have done) build capitals and freighters with the free and highly compressed high ends. Now we got another stupid ISK faucet instead. So it's been a nerf to hi sec industrialists and also in the wrong direction (of increasing ISK faucets), if anything CCP should have had to replace the drone alloys with another non ISK faucet drop or just be smart and simply change nullsec drones drops to have more low ends (nice compressed stuff in loco) and alter the T1 BPOS to just require more minerals or have more unreprocessable minerals quota (i.e. what they did with tiericided ships).

Mining barges buff is a buff to idiots unable to tank their ship, a nerf to everybody else who now have to compete with many more miners.

Bounty system: not sure how it's an hi sec buff since everybody got a bounty. It's been made quite pointless imo. Actually, I have suggested to Baltec1 how to use it to automate payouts in the next Hulkageddon. In that case it'd not be exactly a big buff, eh?

War dec nerfs: that was an indirect buff, but indeed a buff.

So.... if NPC corps are the problem 'cause of industry, then corporations should be able to tax industry (needing more parts than the BP says) and refinery (take a cut of the result) of their members (besides the current tax by the refinery owner).

NPC corps should have high tax.

Player corps can set their own tax level.

That way, people who don't do missions can still have an incentive to start a player corp.

Just a newb throwing in an idea.

NPC corps aren't "the" problem. They're a minor facet of the overall situation. The existing 11% NPC corp tax is sufficient.

I'm not disagreeing with you (although what lo-sec has to do with it I'm not sure), I'm just saying that hi-sec has received repeated significant buffs over the last 2-3 years.