Warfare & Tactics

There was no where near the numbers there are today. Back then it was a limited handful of guys that had a few alts. Now you have hundreds of them running around so it's not even close to the same comparison. Added to this in the past even if they were alts their mains were still involved in FW and it's likely their main would show up for some PVP if you harassed the alts enough.

Now it's just ISK farmers that have little to nothing to do with FW and they just bounce around system to system til you get tired of chasing them.

It's not even remotely close to the same thing and you know it as much as I do, so why not quit the BS routine. It's almost as bad as when Gals claim Caldari has more active pilots than they do..

FW is broken more now than it's ever been at any time in the past.

Oh WAHHH. The NPC imbalance was never so great that that if you entered a defensive plex the glorious Caldari farmers would be able to smite you with full room agro. And you never needed a PvE fitted ship to kill off the NPCs in a FW plex. You just wanted easy mode and now we have it. Plexing is infinitely more boring now because of people like you bitching about something that hardly mattered all the while the core mechanics are what needed to change. So here we have it. One NPC and then sitting there until the other side has enough people to gank you before warping in. Dumb.

Factions have won before. CCP does nothing, essentially it is a pendulum - Eventually it will swing the other way. But CCP does not do anything to "Reset" unless some sort of exploit was being used. The Winners win until they cant hold everything anymore. They will receive an award maybe.

I was at Tannakan early in the morning and chasing a comet with cloak. I almost caught him once however I was 1 second late. After a while of cat and mouse game he finally got pissed off and we started a conversation. At the end of the conversation I think I was more disappointed then the other guy, as he was kinda stating the bitter truth.

[05:04:04] EVE System > Channel changed to Local : Tannakan
[05:10:39] Threatty Chelien Kazim Scumling
[05:10:56] Kazim Scumling > ?
[05:11:05] Threatty Chelien > why do you keep following me
[05:11:18] Kazim Scumling > You look like a hot chick
[05:11:32] Threatty Chelien > :l
[05:11:44] Threatty Chelien > if i do then well ur ...
[05:12:09] Kazim Scumling > :(
[05:12:31] Threatty Chelien > dude i really need to plex my accounts
[05:12:41] Threatty Chelien > your not helping =[
[05:12:58] Threatty Chelien > switching ships back and fourth
[05:13:06] Threatty Chelien > to get me
[05:13:23] Kazim Scumling > Why should I help you plex your accounts?
[05:13:42] Threatty Chelien > cause its simple
[05:14:07] Threatty Chelien > leaaave me alone <-
[05:14:25] Kazim Scumling > As you plex here you waste LPs I donated for this system's upgrades
[05:14:37] Kazim Scumling > So it's not beneficial for me to let you be here
[05:14:42] Threatty Chelien > i left your system already
[05:14:51] Threatty Chelien > why not go there and deplex it
[05:15:16] Kazim Scumling > Nahh Sahtogas/Tannakan/Saikamon/Anka and all other systems around is important for us
[05:15:30] Kazim Scumling > If you want to plex more peacfully I suggest you to move the other side of the map
[05:15:30] Threatty Chelien > thats what another amarr told me yesterday
[05:15:36] Threatty Chelien > Hey
[05:15:38] Threatty Chelien > check my militia (note: I checked it's Gallente)
[05:15:42] Threatty Chelien > ^
[05:15:56] Kazim Scumling > Then go plex Caldari space
[05:15:57] Threatty Chelien > i aint minmatar
[05:16:05] Kazim Scumling > You're still damaging our upgrades
[05:16:14] Threatty Chelien > Caldari space is all taken and the systems left over are just pure warfields for the infastructure hubs
[05:16:33] Threatty Chelien > They even start calling in corps to take over Tama
[05:16:41] Threatty Chelien > and Tama is the low sec system right next to jita...
[05:17:37] Kazim Scumling > This is our space and I'm forsworn to protect it
[05:17:43] Threatty Chelien > No your not
[05:17:52] Threatty Chelien > its amarr space not your space
[05:18:01] Threatty Chelien > it might as well be mine if i hit enlist on your militia
[05:18:11] Kazim Scumling > Yeah join us then :D :D
[05:18:19] Threatty Chelien > no you guys suck
[05:18:25] Threatty Chelien > Tier 1/2 = bad
[05:18:35] Threatty Chelien > Gallente is almost at ******* T5
[05:18:52] Kazim Scumling > yeah but you're complaining that you don't find space to plex
[05:19:02] Threatty Chelien > yeah
[05:19:05] Kazim Scumling > We never have such issues
[05:19:17] Threatty Chelien > yeah cause u guys suck so badly minmatar/gallente has it all
[05:19:42] Kazim Scumling > Well sorry no easy ISK for you here
[05:19:50] Kazim Scumling > Go check other parts of the map
[05:20:17] Threatty Chelien > i made 600k LP within 4 hours
[05:20:34] Threatty Chelien > and yes i will check other parts


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I don't know if the guy told truth about 600k LP in 4 hours. If so it sounds a bit too much. What is equally disturbing is Gallente pilots starting to plex at Amarr space. Considering we're (Amarr) struggling to keep upgades up (even though we donate hell amount of LP continuously) and loosing almost 1 system per day, I think it's going to a bitter end.

I'm not blaming our Amarr brothers as I really don't think we suck. However we're getting overwhelmed by superior numbers and far better resources.

As a corporation most of our members rely on Faction Warfare LP as an income. If Amarr militia sticks to Tier1 for an extended period of time, and if we're pushed to very few systems where everything around is continuously camped by superior numbers, we'll have to leave it.

One could suggest rather than leaving, staying and fighting for it. However fighting against twice the numbers and thrice the resources just doesn't make sense. Other options sounds more reasonable, as this is a game, not a real-life war scenario where we should fight or die.

I know some suggests that winning side eventually will be bored or get disoriented. I know it happened in the past. However there is a big difference now, great LP income. I don't think majority will get bored of such a good amount of continuous ISK. Making a 2-3 week old alt flying a rifter with 2 warp stabilizers you can make more ISK that a lvl4 missioning pilot. And unfortunately those pilots effecting the state of factional warfare.

It might have been the Amarr/Caldari side winning this hard. And if it would have been the case, Minmatar/Gallente side would have been struggled really hard to keep up due to Tier-profit difference and effect of LP farmers. This system has some problems in such a way that it creates a huge snowball effect.

This is the last post I'm planning to make about the state of Factional Warfare, as I don't want to look as a whiner. We'll try to help our faction to hold it's ground a bit more. Hope it works out.

no farming occurs in FW

Also to the question if a Gal pilot could earn 600k LPs in 4 hours? yes, pretty easy


at T5 each novice plex is 32,500 LP, for 10mins work in a t1 frig

Even the gal LP store items sell decent with them at T5..... all the datacores are worth around 950-1050 isk per LP in jita

So 32m for 10mins work in a t1 frig....... 56k LP for a small?

its pretty damn crazy.....why havent i rolled up 5 gal alts? LOL

https://api.eveonline.com/eve/FacWarTopStats.xml.aspx

Name the farming alts please.

debatable

you have numbers (iron blobside can fleet more than the entire amarr militia combined in their TZ. LNA can fleet at least equal size during their TZ)

lol

was because amarr had numbers

FW is fine. amarr just lacks numbers. minmatar lacks the desire for gfs. CCP can't really do anything to make minmatar grow a pair or amarr recruit better people.

The answer is that the Gallente sit on their asses while the Caldari, led by the Pervs, hold every single FW system. for like a YEAR.

When Amarr held no space that's what Caldari had to deal with when we were still winning on our front. We had more Minmatar farmer alts in our space than Gal PVPers. This is largely part of the reason Caldari lost most of it's space because you just couldn't defend against them and you got nothing if you did.

As Caldari loses it's space there will be no where for them to plex so they will just go to your space much like they came to ours when Amarr had nothing. Caldari actually went as far to start sending our guys to Amarr space in-order to try and flip systems to take the pressure off.

The whole system is broken, but don't expect CCP to fix it. They don't care if it's hundreds of ISK farmers spiking the activity they just look at the activity as more subscriptions. CCP knows they only keep subscriptions up, because of people paying by Plex. If people can't afford their 600 mil ISK Plex then they let their alt accounts expire which means CCP earns less money.

This is why they let the Scantum farming go on as long as they did, It's why they left LVL 5 missions in high sec as long as they did and it's why they left Incursion farming go as long as they did. FW is just the next farmville and it will stay this way until the community bitches an moans about it long enough that they have to nerf it.

Personally I'm just going back to piracy and Il'l just stick a "Farmer" alt in either Minmatar or Gallentte and Awox them in between missions. FW is dead it's not worth fighting for at this point so it's time for another vacation from it.

I suggest everyone should put an alt in either Gal or Minmatar and Awox their farmers.. It's like double dipping, not only do you get the kill but you also get their LP points. Meaning you get to farms tears.