EVE General Discussion

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Woohoo, Tech 1 logistics cruisers are pretty competitive. CCP has vastly lowered the entry barrier to the much neglected logistics profession and made it possible to get even relatively new players into effective logistics ships for small gangs.

How does the Exequeror compare to the Oneiros? Well it costs about 1/5th the price fully fit, reps less, and has a worse resist profile. The lower resist profile seems to be the biggest obstacle for the ship, but this makes sense.

I personally declare the tech 1 logi cruisers to be balanced with tech 2. Based on our roams I'd wager they're about half as good as their big brothers but at a lower cost.

Now its time to think about the future. Although for CTA fleets I will still be preferring my logi pilots in a Guardian or Oneiros I will be able to spam lower end logistics as well, these ships are an excellent way refreshing pvp in lo sec. Not to mention it allows us to utilize newer players for logistics without them having to get a cruiser skill to 5.

CCP has made fights last longer, which is always a good thing. I'd also bet CCP has made more groups willing to roam, since they won't risk as much ISK. Lets face it, if the most expensive ship in your roam is also the healer you might have a problem

Good work CCP, looking forward to what you do to Battlecruisers and Battleships. I personally would like to see the Marauder rebalanced to be more useful.

Logi in lo sec roams is nothing new for me or my peeps.

All my roams have at least 2 logi pilots no matter how large they are, this greatly increases the variety of fights we can get into and lets us fly buffer armor tanked ships more easily (free field repairs). Logistics is one of the few force multipliers that allows a relatively small gang to fight a bigger one, or allows someone to survive being primaried in blob warfare. CCP has just made it even more cost effective to do now.

Besides, we have to bring logistics because the enemy does. Its like some kinds of arms race

Meh logi , The new omen on the other hand is just lovely :)

The only problem I see with this is the effect it has on solo players/very small gangs, duo's and trios lose a lot of DPS/tackler/scouter to bring a Logi and well, the solo player does not have either of them.

So the ability to have even the most low skillpoint pilot hop into a logi is effectively another way of killing solo pvp, much like anyone with caladari cruiser 3 can jump into a blackbird and fit it all with specific jammers, taking SP investment and real skill completely out of the equation.

ASB's is a good example of a solo pvp killer, was fine when no one was using them but when everyone starts to use them, the solo player starts to struggle when it comes to killing things in a timely fasion.

However, defo good job on it CCP, Aquila have had a few t1 cruiser roams that have been awesome, wish we could encourage more of it.

I'm just pleased the old Augorer is finally useful. I never thought I'd see the day... *wipes tear from eye*

T2 is going to need to get much better to compete with these new changes...

All the amarr cruisers are nice =) Extra low for DDA on arbi, maller getting drones, and then omen! yes yes yes the omen... no more risking my navy version (price) since the increased drone bay on the t1 makes it VERY comparable.

This.

"Complaining about support roles in a game that revolves around group interatcions and dynamics." ???

Which, by the way, your post is really confusing. You're complaining about CCP killing off solo and small group play, and then congratulating them for the changes they've made? Is it sarcasm or are you saying good on them for understanding that groups shoudl be thier priority and not the solo pvper?



In fact,
Why is it that EVE more than any other MMO revolves around groups of individuals; yet people complain whenever CCP does things that don't prop up the solo player. You think those people would have figured out by now that CCP isn't interested in catering to you guys, but to those people that actually participate in the wider game and actually play with others.

As if no one can see what happens when the largest MMO on the market continually caters to the solo player.
WoW contiually gained subscribers when it catered to group and raid gameplay. As soon as they gave every person access to the same content though a Q, millions of people started to move to other games.

You would think the players and more developers would have put two and two together and figured out by now that most people actually want to play MMO's for the group dynamics.

if we wanted to play a game that revolved and catered to the solo player, we'd fire up a SINGLE PLAYER game.



I'm glad CCP gets that and isn't catering to the solo guys.

I flew and lost 2 Bellicose the other day and I liked it