EVE General Discussion

Amarr, Caldari, Gallente and Minmatar do not want to give up their power anymore then any nullsec alliance so deal with it.

I meant 'get started' literally. As soon as someone lands in this game they begin in hisec, and it's important PvP is one of the things they experience, because it's something present everywhere. There should always be groups there to initiate new players to the hard realities of EVE, but It would make sense in terms of game design for there to be other areas they can advance to, and lowsec and 0.0 are supposed to serve those purposes. I have respect for many hisec PvP corps, but think they would leave hisec in a minute if lowsec or 0.0 was a viable option for them.



I agree entirely, but i'm not making this about challenge. If i did, i might discuss the safety of a hisec carebear relative to that of a nullbear.

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I don't think you've ever been to 0.0.....

Feel free to stop by S-EVIQ anytime.

You're are as foreign to the concept of selfless thinking as the guy you're criticizing. This game isn't about you and most of the problems it faces isn't as simple as you would like. If your idea is let's nerf high sec, force its dwellers to move to low/null, and we live happily ever after, right? That is as narrow perspective as the high-sec whiners you're criticizing, because it isn't that simple. There is players whose high sec alt is funding their low sec PvP, a nerf/buff to high sec have other secondary effects which is being ignored, simply because it doesn't suit your agenda.

I live at high and been to low, and dislike the environment there. Everyone love to say pick your battle, but what are they looking for exactly? Guaranteed win fights! Both camp are as risk averse as the other; but low sec dwellers insist on blaming high sec guys for not visiting, honestly ask yourself if you're a high sec dweller would you be interested to go to low get scan down and fight a 1(you) v 2 or 5?

Actually I only listed the welfare system and the last thing done for Null, the list in the last year is a lot longer, and the list all up is more than any other part of the game.

As to what parts of Null get welfare payments? Well frankly the fact that any do is 1 too many, saying they just moved it sideways makes it no better, so they moved welfare from the sick and gave it to the unemployed and?

I have previously listed in other threads the fact that besides the last 2 Null has had resources used on it in every one for the past 4 years.

Just makes you guys sound like complaining children when you go "but, but, but, some other part of the game had resources spent on it this time and not us"

There are a lot of parts of the game that have needed resources spent on it for a lot longer than 12 months and they are still waiting.

Manufacturing is a good start, more than a rebalance and a frigate might be nice for mining, Mission runners would like more missions.

A lot of part of this game have had nothing done in years, so Null should just bloody wait.

Oh and it was a null sec supporter claiming 75% of Hi-sec was Was Null alts, not a hi-sec defender. But glad you agree that Null is only 20% of the player base.

0.0 is NOT bad, it is different , what makes you think it is bad , nor is it empty , you got JB to blame for that

One of the main reasons people in HS tend to avoid 0.0 sec or have a negative idea about 0.0 is because of politicsz , very strict recruitment policies ( because of the politics ) and it can be a logistical nightmare for any player or a small corps just to get there

Without the politics and all associated dramma it would just be low sec but without the gate guns and npc stations and certainly would be empty

Played for a couple days in 0.0. It was good. Compared to high sec, it is severely lacking in the population department. Although you don't have to even leave high to see it for yourself. The map gives you all the intel you need. Each day, once a day, log in and open up the map. Change the setting to show number of players in last 24h and watch as high sec glows brightly while low and null glow ever increasingly dim from system to system away from high sec.

It has nothing to do with earnings. Since the majority of the population plays in high sec, nerf high sec income enough and market prices with change accordingly. Sure, the risk vs isk is 'more appropriate' but with the market impact that will follow, the value of isk will just go up. People will continue to play and earn isk in high sec and they will continue to buy the same stuff for less isk. So really, nerfing high sec income won't change risk vs isk with regard to isk value at all.

It's not what keeps people playing in high sec anyway. The game mechanics that exist in high sec (primarily concord) that maintains order (to a certain degree) is what keeps people there. First you have concord which basically makes it so that in order for a person to make a profit off of killing you, they must be able to earn off of you more than what they will lose after concord is done with them. In low or null, with no concord, them simply killing you means they will profit since they will not likely lose their ship in the process.

Now there is the new flagging system which only really means something in high sec since it allows everyone to engage you without concord intervention. In low and null, there is no concord so you don't need the person to be flagged to engage them. This flagging system was designed for high sec and served the purpose of making it safer. Now crimes that don't bring down the wrath of concord opens you up to be attacked by the entire player base instead of just the person you offended against. It even pulls in neutral logi support during high sec engagements meaning offenders who previously used an alt or friend logi to support them against the person they offended against now can't because while before they only had to worry about the one person (and possible corp mates), they now have to worry about everyone around and if they try and use a logi, the logi has to now worry too.

Finally there is the new bounty system. So now if you don't fight back and lose your ship, you get a kill right that can now be used by other people.


Sure, there is ganking for the sake of ganking but let's be honest here. It really doesn't happen that often because it costs the ganker isk to do it in high sec. Usually someone only ganks at a loss if the person who got ganked was in a situation that provoked the ganker in some way. Concord was a pretty powerful deterrent before but now with the new changes, high sec is safer than ever.

The only way you are gonna get a shift of players from high sec to low is if you make low safer. Profit has nothing to do with it. It just needs to be safer.

Which is why I made a suggestion with regards to the weapon lock feature. Allowing alliances to force a weapon lock level on those that enter their system. Then watch as null becomes more populated.

Hell, make it so that 1.0 to .8 is forced green, .7 to .5 allows for yellow but not red, .4 to .1 is anything you want, and remove concord from the game.

Hm, so what happens when someone tries to gank in those colored zones? They just can't?

I like this idea, we need more ways to stop people from activating guns and the like on NPC corp alts.