These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

EVE General Discussion

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

Why do so many people seem to think they should be immune to ship loss?
Author
Previous Topic Next Topic
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#41 - 2011-10-23 21:24:59 UTC
Generals4 wrote:


While i agree with the purpose of this post i can't help myself pointing out certain major flaws in your argument.

No one forces you to do anything. Who forces you to market PVP? no one


I would like to buy a Tempest with T2 guns and various other modules so that I can participate in the skirmish fleets my alliance regularly undertakes. What are my options to avoid market PvP?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
#42 - 2011-10-23 21:25:33 UTC
okst666 wrote:
It does not matter, because if not CSM...then CEO of CCP...whatever happens earlier... PvP will become a switch in this game ..if you want it or not.


Link the article that says PvP will now be a switchable action.

Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen.                   And some days, you're just a man with a gun.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#43 - 2011-10-23 21:25:44 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Generals4 wrote:


While i agree with the purpose of this post i can't help myself pointing out certain major flaws in your argument.

No one forces you to do anything. Who forces you to market PVP? no one


I would like to buy a Tempest with T2 guns and various other modules so that I can participate in the skirmish fleets my alliance regularly undertakes. What are my options to avoid market PvP?
Ebay?

(jk)

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Esagila
#44 - 2011-10-23 21:26:43 UTC
I don’t think anyone minds losing a ship from time to time, it’s part of the game and you usually come away with some insight that you didn’t have before.

I think what people are upset about is suicide ganking. Yes if you fly a tasty ship or have some yummy cargo you should be on the lookout; if you don’t and you get blown up then those are the consequences for those actions – nowhere in EVE is safe.

As it stands the consequences are grossly one sided towards the victim.

Sure perpetrator loses equipment (if they don’t go back to scoop them up), the small difference between insurance and payout, and some security status. But this is minuscule compared to the cost of the incurred by victim.

Sure this is all scripted into the game mechanics, but as it stands it’s currently being abused by griefers, and I can understand the outrage from the miners (I'm assuming this is who you're targeting towards?), especially with the proposal of new combat ships, with nothing new to beef up their weak ships.

The best solution that I’ve seen on these boards is to not reward insurance payouts to a player whom was killed by concord. It makes sense from the perspective that no company in the real world would award a payout to someone who lit their house on fire or purposely crashed a car. It would also slant the table a bit so that that the consequences weren’t so one sided.

Will there still be suicide ganking – oh yes. Will the consequences still be slanted towards the victim - oh yes, but not as crazily so. I don’t think suicide ganking should ever be removed from the game because there is definitely a niche of players whom enjoy this kind of gameplay. But there should be consequences for both parties.
Khalia Nestune
Mad Stacks
#45 - 2011-10-23 21:26:47 UTC
If I could remember which CCP dev it was, I'd put the correct source on it, but one of them has said:

"EVE is a harsh, unforgiving universe. It's not fair and not meant to be fair. We like it that way."

http://www.mylootyourtears.com
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#46 - 2011-10-23 21:26:50 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Generals4 wrote:


While i agree with the purpose of this post i can't help myself pointing out certain major flaws in your argument.

No one forces you to do anything. Who forces you to market PVP? no one


I would like to buy a Tempest with T2 guns and various other modules so that I can participate in the skirmish fleets my alliance regularly undertakes. What are my options to avoid market PvP?


Mine everything yourself. Its free dont ya know.
Khalia Nestune
Mad Stacks
#47 - 2011-10-23 21:27:50 UTC
Esagila wrote:
But there should be consequences for both parties.



CONCORD blowing up your ship, 15 minute GCC, and security status loss isn't a consequence?

http://www.mylootyourtears.com
Alara IonStorm
#48 - 2011-10-23 21:27:51 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Generals4 wrote:


While i agree with the purpose of this post i can't help myself pointing out certain major flaws in your argument.

No one forces you to do anything. Who forces you to market PVP? no one


I would like to buy a Tempest with T2 guns and various other modules so that I can participate in the skirmish fleets my alliance regularly undertakes. What are my options to avoid market PvP?


Mine everything yourself. Its free dont ya know.

Well Market PvP free at least.
okst666
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2011-10-23 21:29:56 UTC  |  Edited by: okst666
Mortis vonShadow wrote:
okst666 wrote:
It does not matter, because if not CSM...then CEO of CCP...whatever happens earlier... PvP will become a switch in this game ..if you want it or not.


Link the article that says PvP will now be a switchable action.


Do you even read what I write? It will happen at the moment I <- this means me become the new CEO of CCP.
There is no article yet...its a surprise for maybe next years winterexpansion. Or maybe SOON(tm) what ever happens earlier..But it will happen...be assured!! Or Eve may die first...whatever happens first... It is all about cause and effect...trust me!

[X] < Nail here for new monitor
Mashie Saldana
V0LTA
OnlyFleets.
#50 - 2011-10-23 21:32:27 UTC
Khalia Nestune wrote:
Esagila wrote:
But there should be consequences for both parties.



CONCORD blowing up your ship, 15 minute GCC, and security status loss isn't a consequence?

The 15 minute GCC is really annoying tbh.

How to win EVE
Esagila
#51 - 2011-10-23 21:32:44 UTC
Khalia Nestune wrote:
Esagila wrote:
But there should be consequences for both parties.



CONCORD blowing up your ship, 15 minute GCC, and security status loss isn't a consequence?


You can insure a T1 ship and get almost full ISK recovery, same cannot be said for those in T2 ships for which the gankers are destroying.
Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
#52 - 2011-10-23 21:33:11 UTC
okst666 wrote:

this means me become the new CEO of CCP.


Right, you're going to become the new CEO of CCP. I have a jump bridge I'd like to sell you. Low low price of 15 billion ISK.

Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen.                   And some days, you're just a man with a gun.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#53 - 2011-10-23 21:33:56 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Generals4 wrote:


While i agree with the purpose of this post i can't help myself pointing out certain major flaws in your argument.

No one forces you to do anything. Who forces you to market PVP? no one


I would like to buy a Tempest with T2 guns and various other modules so that I can participate in the skirmish fleets my alliance regularly undertakes. What are my options to avoid market PvP?


Mine everything yourself. Its free dont ya know.


A solution almost as practical as staying docked to avoid combat PvP.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Berendas
Ascendant Operations
#54 - 2011-10-23 21:34:34 UTC
+1

People should know by now the kind of game EVE is. It isn't nice. It's isn't fair. And it won't coddle you. HTFU
The Apostle
Doomheim
#55 - 2011-10-23 21:34:59 UTC
Mortis vonShadow wrote:
To the Apostle:

The games been around for a little over 8 years now. Do you think that CCP is going to change a core game mechanic because a bunch of new players don't like it?

Personally, I'm tired of hearing all the whining and complaining. If you don't like how the game is made, either make your own version of EVE to compete with, or stop playing and go do something else.

Simple really.

As long as those who are NOT new can have the game mechanics changed for them?

But yeah, I am ALSO "tired of hearing all the whining and complaining" because new players are getting beaten up by "8 year old vets" who in one minute are unsubbing and complaining about game mechanics at the same time as complaining about noobs who want to STAY but want changes to game mechanics to make it possible.

It's all hypocritical BS.

Just keep in mind while all the "bittervets" (read spoiled brats) yell "unsub" everytime they get bored, CCP MAY have to change the game just to give noobs a chance to keep the game going.

PS: If YOU are "tired of hearing all the whining and complaining" you also have the option to unsub and go play something else. I heard Pacman is good.

[i]Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo![/i]
okst666
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2011-10-23 21:35:01 UTC
Mortis vonShadow wrote:
okst666 wrote:

this means me become the new CEO of CCP.


Right, you're going to become the new CEO of CCP. I have a jump bridge I'd like to sell you. Low low price of 15 billion ISK.


What is a jump bridge and how would it help me?

[X] < Nail here for new monitor
The Mittani
State War Academy
Caldari State
#57 - 2011-10-23 21:37:14 UTC
The Apostle wrote:


PS: If YOU are "tired of hearing all the whining and complaining" you also have the option to unsub and go play something else. I heard Pacman is good.


or i could just go kill a bunch of the people who are whining, and induce them to cry more

far more satisfying!

~hi~
Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
#58 - 2011-10-23 21:37:28 UTC
The Apostle wrote:

It's all hypocritical BS.


Said the hypocrit...

Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen.                   And some days, you're just a man with a gun.
Alara IonStorm
#59 - 2011-10-23 21:38:23 UTC
Malcanis wrote:

A solution almost as practical as staying docked to avoid combat PvP.

/Figures out why people are complaining about establishments.

There might be a group of constantly War Dec'd who have forgotten that the rest of EVE exists and thinks it is a Ship Viewer / Market Simulator. Then when they got the Avatar it was the only thing they understood in the Patch Notes for years. Now they think that because Establishments are gone CCP has stopped Expanding the Game.

It explains everything.
The Apostle
Doomheim
#60 - 2011-10-23 21:39:34 UTC
Esagila wrote:
Khalia Nestune wrote:
Esagila wrote:
But there should be consequences for both parties.



CONCORD blowing up your ship, 15 minute GCC, and security status loss isn't a consequence?


You can insure a T1 ship and get almost full ISK recovery, same cannot be said for those in T2 ships for which the gankers are destroying.

As much as I dislike suicide ganking (it's cowardly), you can actually fly a fully insured Covetor.

Won't be as efficient of course but that is quickly offset against losing 200 million on a Hulk.

[i]Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo![/i]