EVE General Discussion

First off, hisec is clearly intended to be a sort of starting zone, or at least as much of a starting zone as this game can have. You will never be completely safe there, but it provides a less hostile environment for people to learn the game, a place for people who don't want to join a large alliance, and a place for people who don't mind making far less isk with more safety than you can find elsewhere. It could also be seen as a waiting room, where people spend time looking for the next lowsec or 0.0 corp they want to join. Hisec serves all these purposes in the game wonderfully.

Every day people join EVE with PvP on their mind. They learn the ropes in hisec over a few months like they're supposed to, but when they should move on to real PvP areas, like lowsec or 0.0, they instead demand CCP make hisec suit all their needs. There's already an abundance of empty PvP areas, but they just ignore them, and instead of developing ways to make them more enjoyable, they're trying to invent ways to make hisec into another hardcore PvP zone. Hisec is the one area which serves its purpose perfectly. If we're going to talk about improving PvP in this game, lets talk about making the serious PvP areas serve their purpose.

Another group are the vocal minority of 0.0 players. Everyone knows the many reasons why 0.0 is bad, and why it's empty, but in the mind of the few who live in 0.0 all the blame for 0.0 being empty falls squarely on hisec and the people there. Countless times has their 'advice' been followed and hisec has been nerfed, with more incentive added to 0.0 and elsewhere, and it has never even helped slightly. It's still being suggested even after repeated failures. That is ridiculous. People fully know they can make more isk anywhere outside of hisec, they just don't because everywhere outside of hisec is so terribly broken, or chronically unfun.

So i think after 10 years of heaping blame on hisec and expecting it to solve all our problems, it's time we begin to look at the entire game, or things will continue exactly as they have for so long already.

Like everywhere is a mining area.

My point is that your entire post is leaning towards suggesting hi sec is not supposed to be used for 'serious pvp'. You use phrases like 'learning the ropes' and talk about the 'real pvp' areas to paint a picture that hi sec PVP is ancillary.

The fact is that PVP can and does exist in hi sec and exists by its own set of rules, just like every other part of EVE. It also comes with its own set of particular difficulties.

CCP have only just fixed one of the biggest PVP bugs I can remember, which is the war dec mutual war mechanic issue. There is still work to be done in this area and there is always the underlying murmer from CCP about NPC corps.

I've been watching this highsec/nullsec back and forth for a while now and something that is always mentioned is high sec as a kiddie pool. Is that how it's supposed to be? If so there is too much to do there for experienced players. If it's meant to be a low oboe zone then that's a different thing. This being eve however the answer will probably be both. I've lived in high and null. Both we're fun. Will be doing low and w space sometime too and you know what? Ill probably have fun there too. The main issue I see with ALL areas of eve is the difficulty new players have in accessing the full experience of the game. Weather this is due to nullsec being inaccessible or joining a failcorp in highsec and living under constant wardec

/facepalm.

Firstly, there's more to PvP than just ship combat.

Secondly, if you moved most/all trade, production lines and research facilities to null-sec, taking and holding and raiding null-sec space would be much more interesting.

For the 2000 players left in the game, it'd be a blast.

I didn't miss your point and you did make it clear. The thing is you keep saying stuff like 'get started' in relation to hi sec like its the first step on the PVP ladder. I disagree.

Hi sec PVP can be as challenging if not more so than anywhere else. Just because you can't bubble and hot drop 20 titans it does not make it any less likely to get your ass handed to you.

I'm not arguing with your entire post, just the parts where you refer to hi sec like training camp. Granted its where new players start life in relative safety but it should not necessarily be seen as just a traing ground for the rest of space.

For people in null sec.

Null lo insists hi sec resembles null/lo once again. Luckily CCP knows that if they grant your wish they will have to close their doors not too long after.

I think your on to something here.

You might want to read Jita Park speakers corner and the CSMs comments on their derg of a set of ideas and how it is along the same lines as what CCP is thinking, before you go on.