EVE General Discussion

People who join high sec corporations are more likely to be willing to join a null sec corp. They're used to working in an enviroment where more people can shoot them, and dealing with things like wars.

People that never leave the NPC corps, never leave them! The more of those guys that are willing to join a player run corp, the more guys that are likely to end up in null.

The more NPC corp industrialists that leave the NPC corp, the easier it will be to get them to do industry in null sec.

It doesn't matter what you buff, or where you buff it, it won't encourage anyone to leave the NPC corps.

People WILL join player run corps to do T2 production, they will not quit droves.

Edit: Anyone that would quit because they don't want to join a player run corp, aren't the people that CCP should be catering too.

Another point worth making very clear is that this farms and fields talk originally came right from the top of Nullsec from content-creators warning CCP that their ability and willingness to create content for the average player is drying up. You can only whip people up for another "War for the Fatherland" so many times before it gets stale, and they just don't bother logging in for the next one. Nullsec has been running strictly on its own novelty since being populated enough to actually be fought over.

Farms and fields is a warning that nullsec, and lowsec as well actually, need more substantive day to day gameplay to create content and reinvigorate the sense of meaning to warfare in both areas. Nullsec and to a lesser extent lowsec gameplay is about planting a flag and defending that flag against all comers. This meaningful group play creates a story or narrative that brings Eve's objectively boring gameplay to life, and pushes people to log in and interact.

Farms and fields is a natural improvement to Eve gameplay based on the lessons learned from its existence over ten years. If you were to create Eve 2, the first thing you would do is ensure scalable farms and fields gameplay from hisec through lowsec and on to null. Creating meaningful day to day gameplay in nullsec and lowsec is a necessity, and it will happen regardless of whining from a tiny vocal minority of players who think they should have easy access to almost all rewards in the almost perfect safety of hisec.

Winter is coming.

Eve Online is a series of trade off's depending upon your location, surely that concept is not lost on you?

If you believe that you are somehow disadvantaged in performing industry in Null or Low then relocate an alt or another resource in to Empire and perform it there instead.

For every positive that you can identify about the benefits of high sec industry over its null or low sec equivalent you can equally list aspects of null and low that are equally more advantageous than Empire, but I don't hear you on here suggesting that because miners cannot mine Ark, Bist or Crokite or run Level 5 Missions in Empire then these should be obliterated in Null or Low?

Of course you wouldn't proffer that line of argument because that would be unbalanced and one sided. Seriously don't make me laugh any more than I already am.

From a miners perspective if they want to mine A,B,C ores or mission runners wanted to do level 5 missions they accept that they have to leave their comfort zone and go to low or null to perform those activities.

I remain of the opinion that the purpose behind all of these threads is to repeatedly over the course of time attempt to dumb down, to the point that Empire becomes pointless, the benefits to be afforded by safer space ultimately pushing more folks in to your backyard.

Come on be honest and transparent, you know you want to really.

If the only metric of "winning EvE" you have is how big your virtual bank balance is, you lost before the first time you logged in.

The point of EvE is to have fun playing EvE. That means different things to different people, from being a part of massive fleets of gigantic ships competing for control of nullsec to sitting in a quiet backwater listening to the hum of your mining lasers as they steadily fill your hold.

Isk is just how you gain access to the parts of the game that you enjoy.

Find us a better quantifiable metric and we'll be happy to use it until then all we have is isk/hr.

It's not all about isk per hour, thats certain. Friendship, cameradery escapism (from sitting with the wife) are all hugely admirable aspects of Eve.

I give most of my isk away to those less fortunate to help them up the ladder, so I'm usually broke

Goon enjoyment can be measured in forum posts per hour.

And your evidence of this?

Eve is a sandbox, and we should be able to measure our success how ever we choose. Some people do it by killboards, by what they can fly, by how much isk they have, general comradery, tears from forum posters, and so on.

There are 2 nice things about using isk as a measurement of success;

(1) Isk is a means to an end. Training for a marauder or carrier is pointless if you don't have the isk to buy those ships. Being poor in this game really sucks, and the more isk people have the more stuff they can do. Be that running better missions, mining more ore, ganking more miners, going on suicide roams, etc.

(2) Isk is something you can grind to get rewarded for your actual effort. I like the way the skills train because it allows me to be fairly casual about the game, but putting a skill and the queue and coming back to it being finished in a week or so isn't terribly rewarding. There are plenty of activities where I can sit down at the computer and end up "better" than when I started by using isk as a metric. That could mean killing rats, or taking stuff to market.

First off, a lot of the regular cap ships (carriers, dreads, rorqs) are built in low sec. They are close enough to major markets to both get the supplies and to find a buyer. You can find pretty much an cap ship you want for sale on the in-game market just a few jumps from Jita.

Secondly, we build super-caps (the only ships that must be built in sov nullsec) using compressed minerals from empire. That means we have industry and freighter guys in highsec actually getting everything together. The nullsec part of it is just reprocessing a ton of large railguns and moving that to the POS for final assembly.

So even our super-caps, the over powered end game ships that even the people who fly them complain about, are built using highsec industry and using Concord as cover to move those minerals.