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When 1 faction wins over the other , question

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Tr1cky The
VICTORIAN SCOURGE
#1 - 2012-12-23 12:45:12 UTC


The age old question ... what next ?


Does ccp reset everything and we start all over again ?

Does ccp just .. reballance FW and then start all over again ?


Or we simply just continue with one side at t5 100% and the other side ... struggles to try to take back systems and flip the tables ...



I am ever so curious aswell i think most of us are actually
Othran
Route One
#2 - 2012-12-23 12:58:14 UTC
CCP don't do anything and nor should they.

The same happens in null - someone "wins" and over the course of months loses their active players as everyone gets bored. Then someone else "wins".

Rinse/repeat ad nauseum.
Tr1cky The
VICTORIAN SCOURGE
#3 - 2012-12-23 13:00:27 UTC
personaly i don't think it will be like null .. for one if one faction wins .. then they will be at t5 which means lps will be magical .. so money will be made alot and even if they won't have wt's to fight its still low sec .. and pirates are many


thats just my oppinion ..
Othran
Route One
#4 - 2012-12-23 13:24:31 UTC
Tr1cky The wrote:
personaly i don't think it will be like null .. for one if one faction wins .. then they will be at t5 which means lps will be magical .. so money will be made alot and even if they won't have wt's to fight its still low sec .. and pirates are many


thats just my oppinion ..



When someone "wins" in null they get tech moons amongst other things. They run at 15-16bill a month last I looked so its really nothing to do with isk after a certain period of time.

Also the days of FW LP farming making billions a week are over - there are now more profitable things to be doing - so people won't stay if they aren't entertained.

People have "won" Eve before - where are they now? Most got bored and left....
Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#5 - 2012-12-23 13:41:51 UTC
Here is what happens:

The losers trim the fat. Complainers. Defeatists. People who refuse to fly 'x' ship or get in a plex at all. They head for the door. Those that are left are committed to winning and are open to new ideas and teamwork. The remnants get more organized and that organization in turn attracts new blood.

The winners struggle to keep it together. Individual pilots who want 'gudfights' may defect for the opposition. People get bored and log in less frequently. An influx of farmers garners resentment. Internal wardecs poisons the militia. Whole corps or even alliances might quit to greener pastures.
kraiklyn Asatru
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-12-23 13:48:05 UTC
Zarnak Wulf wrote:
Here is what happens:

The losers trim the fat. Complainers. Defeatists. People who refuse to fly 'x' ship or get in a plex at all. They head for the door. Those that are left are committed to winning and are open to new ideas and teamwork. The remnants get more organized and that organization in turn attracts new blood.

The winners struggle to keep it together. Individual pilots who want 'gudfights' may defect for the opposition. People get bored and log in less frequently. An influx of farmers garners resentment. Internal wardecs poisons the militia. Whole corps or even alliances might quit to greener pastures.


This, I want that medal ( duh ) I do fear this will happen, despite the fact that I love RP. If we win faction warfare ill be tempted to go conquer or harass other useless space ( Provi)
Opera Noir
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2012-12-23 13:55:25 UTC
You get a shiny medal. 2 years later they change the mechanics and hand a victory to your opponents. That way everyone gets a medal. It's only fair. P
ALUCARD 1208
Digital Ghosts
Nourv Gate Security Commission
#8 - 2012-12-23 15:10:17 UTC
what 2 yrs ago wen caldari could take every plex just after downtime with no resistance ya that was fair....... idiot

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JaneBudden
Spiritus Draconis
#9 - 2012-12-23 15:12:28 UTC
Opera Noir wrote:
You get a shiny medal. 2 years later they change the mechanics and hand a victory to your opponents. That way everyone gets a medal. It's only fair. P




so you are saying: making the plex mechanics more fair is to make the other side win Big smile ( btw. make more really low dps spawns ccp the farming became worse again)
Cromwell Savage
The Screaming Seagulls
#10 - 2012-12-23 15:32:12 UTC
It's called - stop living in hi-sec!
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#11 - 2012-12-23 16:46:07 UTC
winning is only temporary. I don't think you can defend the space without unreasonable effort, like organized farming with alts and stuff. The more space your oponent has the easier is it for you to take space. Its already self balancing.

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value
AndromacheDarkstar
Integrated Insterstellar Holdings
#12 - 2012-12-23 17:07:19 UTC
Topical seeing as this is likely to happen to two factions over the christmas period if they (we) cant get our **** together rather promptly
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
#13 - 2012-12-23 17:28:39 UTC
ALUCARD 1208 wrote:
what 2 yrs ago wen caldari could take every plex just after downtime with no resistance ya that was fair....... idiot



I never knew that Galente were not aloud to log in & undock after DT. Guess you learn something new each day..
Opera Noir
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2012-12-23 17:28:45 UTC
ALUCARD 1208 wrote:
what 2 yrs ago wen caldari could take every plex just after downtime with no resistance ya that was fair....... idiot

Oh noe! You mad...Shocked
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#15 - 2012-12-23 18:18:22 UTC
AndromacheDarkstar wrote:
Topical seeing as this is likely to happen to two factions over the christmas period if they (we) cant get our **** together rather promptly

the hope is still there that a multiboxer without life switches sides by accidently loging in with the wrong set of alts over the holidays.

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value
ALUCARD 1208
Digital Ghosts
Nourv Gate Security Commission
#16 - 2012-12-23 19:47:15 UTC  |  Edited by: ALUCARD 1208
Mutnin wrote:
ALUCARD 1208 wrote:
what 2 yrs ago wen caldari could take every plex just after downtime with no resistance ya that was fair....... idiot



I never knew that Galente were not aloud to log in & undock after DT. Guess you learn something new each day..




well it fitted u guys perfectly so drama and his 40 alts could get into all the plexes in our off time, now its even plexes at anytime. u guys cry bout the ustz being too strong but dont see that u have advantages in other timezones this is not ccps fault its caldari militias fault, u guys are so fractioned and hate each other so much were as gallentes pull together and get the job done..... simplez


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Shaalira D'arc
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2012-12-23 21:03:16 UTC
Since the inception of FW and right up to the Retribution expansion, the Caldari militia has been supported by the crutch of NPC imbalance.

It is hard to understate the strategic advantage one side possesses when they can speed-tank every single one of the other side's plexes in a PvP frigate. Especially when the other side, when they try to play offense, must either destroy the rats because of missile spam and overwhelming ECM, or use PvE fits with enough tank to last.

A similar imbalance, albeit to a lesser extent, existed on the Minmatar / Amarr front. A pvp rifter could ignore the rats' laser light show; Amarrians had to contend with missile spam from the Minmatar rats.

Post-Retribution, it's equally easy for all four sides to rake in plexes with NPCs playing a minimal role in the occupancy war.

In other words, it's now up to the players.
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
#18 - 2012-12-23 21:32:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Mutnin
ALUCARD 1208 wrote:
Mutnin wrote:
ALUCARD 1208 wrote:
what 2 yrs ago wen caldari could take every plex just after downtime with no resistance ya that was fair....... idiot



I never knew that Galente were not aloud to log in & undock after DT. Guess you learn something new each day..




well it fitted u guys perfectly so drama and his 40 alts could get into all the plexes in our off time, now its even plexes at anytime. u guys cry bout the ustz being too strong but dont see that u have advantages in other timezones this is not ccps fault its caldari militias fault, u guys are so fractioned and hate each other so much were as gallentes pull together and get the job done..... simplez


9 and counting Big smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smile



Ahh so when it's bad for Caldari it's "Caldari's" fault but when it's bad for Gallente it's once again "Caldari's" fault.

When you guys have numbers advantage it's Caldari should recruit more blahh blahh blahh. When Caldari have numbers advantage it's obviously broken game mechanics that let us win.

I see where this is going.. Roll


Let us remember up until CCP started messing with the Sov war crap and giving a tier system there was no advantage for new players to FW to join either side. It was clearly up to them to join the side they liked the best or had their favorite space ships. There was no disadvantage of not being able to make ISK or not being able to dock.

Meaning even when Caldari held all your systems you could still bring new blood in because having lost all your systems did not affect your gameplay. Now CCP created null sec lite in order to make system captures mean something which in turn creates a situation where there is no reason to join the side that happens to be losing at the time.

Yet you cry about old plex mechanics as if it somehow gave Caldari a advantage, all the while ignoring the great advantage you now have as if 100s of farmer alts aren't doing the work for you. At least when Caldari took all your systems it was done by people that were out there to PVP, not armies of T1 frigs that run at first site of combat, whom have zero interest in FW outside of the isk faucet.
Opera Noir
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2012-12-23 21:37:49 UTC
Shaalira D'arc wrote:

Post-Retribution, it's equally easy for all four sides to rake in plexes with NPCs playing a minimal role in the occupancy war.

In other words, it's now up to the players.

Either way plexing is as tedious as it has always been. Although I'm glad they have balanced it out more, they really should come up with a more interesting mechanic, imo. Don't know if they can though.

In any case, the effects of winning the war will probably be the same for the Gallente as it was for the Caldari farm fest that happened when missions were introduced. The value of the LP will tank, which will probably only be a problem if they start to lose tiers, which seems unlikely for the time being. Oh and of course the Frogs will have plenty places to dock and Squids will have very few.
Shaalira D'arc
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2012-12-23 21:54:42 UTC
Mutnin wrote:
Yet you cry about old plex mechanics as if it somehow gave Caldari a advantage, all the while ignoring the great advantage you now have as if 100s of farmer alts aren't doing the work for you. At least when Caldari took all your systems it was done people that were out there to have PVP, not armies of T1 frigs that run at first site of combat.


Confirming that plexing alts never existed prior to Inferno, and that no one had ever speed-tanked Gallente and Amarrian plexes with stabbed, gun-less frigs using alts.

Never ever.

The big difference is that militia members now get paid for plexing and PvP, encouraging more people to regularly participate than that handful of die-hards (and their alts) who care a lot about dots on a map.
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