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[Coreli Press Statement] Regarding Evaulon VII and Rilnais

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Vikarion
Doomheim
#41 - 2012-12-22 21:07:17 UTC
Launette Vylier wrote:

What's all this talk is about "humanitarian causes" and "the good of the Federation".

We did this for the product, the end result of which is a huge pile of Kredits that are still rolling in.

Every person who was part of our fleet, whether they were Anshar Incorporated or Coreli Corporation, was explicity told that we were going in for Isirus, were going to level anything in our way, and then glass the city as a message to the Federation after they screwed up our first attempt. No one backed out.

I'm starting to think a few people over there in lowsec need to man up and grow some backbone.

To hell with the Federation.


Who says that honesty is a dying quality?

Still, though, perhaps you should consider that the Federation is one of your largest customer bases - killing customers tends to be a bad idea.
Launette Vylier
Serpentis Corporation
Serpentis
#42 - 2012-12-22 21:27:59 UTC
Vikarion wrote:
...killing customers tends to be a bad idea.


You're seriously pitching me that argument?

I mean, it's not like people snort lines of exile from a hooker's rack to improve their health, right?

Hulemand
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#43 - 2012-12-22 23:21:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Hulemand
Launette Vylier wrote:

What's all this talk is about "humanitarian causes" and "the good of the Federation".

We did this for the product, the end result of which is a huge pile of Kredits that are still rolling in.

Every person who was part of our fleet, whether they were Anshar Incorporated or Coreli Corporation, was explicity told that we were going in for Isirus, were going to level anything in our way, and then glass the city as a message to the Federation after they screwed up our first attempt. No one backed out.

I'm starting to think a few people over there in lowsec need to man up and grow some backbone.

To hell with the Federation.


We knew it, we loved it, and we still enjoy it. My statement was only directed towards the planet dwellers all over the and big four. Maybe it made them lose faith in their government, maybe not, but who cares about planet dwellers anyway?

To capsuleers and planetary Governors, Lords, Administrators etc. I have only this to say.

Rilnais is an example to be remembered. Cooperate or you will suffer the same fate! Coreli Corporation have no issues about what was done and would gladly see it done again.

Admiral Hulemand Core Operations Overseer

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2012-12-22 23:45:05 UTC
Hulemand wrote:
We knew it, we loved it, and we still enjoy it. My statement was only directed towards the planet dwellers all over the and big four. Maybe it made them lose faith in their government, maybe not, but who cares about planet dwellers anyway?


"How do I prove this? It is rather simple. Three weeks ago we attacked the planet of Evaulon VII in order to get the Isirus Poppy, much needed for our beneficial research saving millions of lifes, both in space and on planets."

Hulemand wrote:
Rilnais is an example to be remembered. Cooperate or you will suffer the same fate! Coreli Corporation have no issues about what was done and would gladly see it done again.


"Yes, we did attack the planet with capital ships, and yes we did hit civilian targets, and I am unhappy about the loss of civilian lives."

So your response to the fact that even your own factional contact is calling you out on your double-talk is... more double-talk?

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Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#45 - 2012-12-22 23:48:21 UTC
Hulemand wrote:


To capsuleers and planetary Governors, Lords, Administrators etc. I have only this to say.

Rilnais is an example to be remembered. Cooperate or you will suffer the same fate! Coreli Corporation have no issues about what was done and would gladly see it done again.


Bring it, you whiny little insignificant lout. L-C, we'll be waiting. (Although, if you could kindly wait until the first of the year so I can enjoy stomping your fleet with the rest of -FA-.) You worthless little *****; you pathetic ****, come face us. I seldom use foul language, but in this case, I want you to know that you're being insulted.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.

Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#46 - 2012-12-23 00:12:41 UTC
Alizabeth Vea wrote:
You worthless little *****; you pathetic ****, come face us. I seldom use foul language, but in this case, I want you to know that you're being insulted.


"I don't want to talk to you no more, you empty headed animal food trough wiper. I fart in your general direction. Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries."

That quote is all I could think of while reading the end of your post.

Katrina Oniseki

Esna Pitoojee
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#47 - 2012-12-23 00:26:17 UTC
Seems like ever since the Serpentis did their thing, people have been changing direction faster than a covert ops with Inertia Stabilizers fitted. Think this is the first time I've seen anyone do a complete turn-around and end up where they started - at least in this short of a period of time.
Hulemand
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#48 - 2012-12-23 00:57:28 UTC
Alizabeth Vea wrote:


Bring it, you whiny little insignificant lout. L-C, we'll be waiting. (Although, if you could kindly wait until the first of the year so I can enjoy stomping your fleet with the rest of -FA-.) You worthless little *****; you pathetic ****, come face us. I seldom use foul language, but in this case, I want you to know that you're being insulted.


You have nothing of value. Why waste time on you?

Admiral Hulemand Core Operations Overseer

Hulemand
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#49 - 2012-12-23 01:19:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Hulemand
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Hulemand wrote:
We knew it, we loved it, and we still enjoy it. My statement was only directed towards the planet dwellers all over the and big four. Maybe it made them lose faith in their government, maybe not, but who cares about planet dwellers anyway?


"How do I prove this? It is rather simple. Three weeks ago we attacked the planet of Evaulon VII in order to get the Isirus Poppy, much needed for our beneficial research saving millions of lifes, both in space and on planets."

Hulemand wrote:
Rilnais is an example to be remembered. Cooperate or you will suffer the same fate! Coreli Corporation have no issues about what was done and would gladly see it done again.


"Yes, we did attack the planet with capital ships, and yes we did hit civilian targets, and I am unhappy about the loss of civilian lives."

So your response to the fact that even your own factional contact is calling you out on your double-talk is... more double-talk?


Are you confused? Good! It means that the actually target audience of my press release, the federation citizens, those poor bastards down on the planets, most like are too.

It is called propaganda, it is there to inflict doubt, disbelief and confusion. Hopefully most of the citizens in the Federation, both on and off planets, will be bright enough not to believe what I told them. Those that did - even if just enough to make them lose a little confidence in their leaders, they made it worth my time.

To make it clear once and for all to every god damn capsuleer in New Eden, The Coreli Corporation 100 % back up the Serpentis Corporation and its brave pilots in their actions in the Evaulon System.

Admiral Hulemand Core Operations Overseer

Elleren
Tiger's Bite
#50 - 2012-12-23 01:24:48 UTC
Hulemand wrote:


It is called propaganda, it is there to inflict doubt, disbelief and confusion. Hopefully most of the citizens in the Federation, both on and off planets, will be bright enough not to believe what I told them. Those that did - even if just enough to make them lose a little confidence in their leaders, they made it worth my time.


I think you have the wrong word, the right word would be Misinformation.

Honor is earned.

Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#51 - 2012-12-23 01:25:43 UTC
Hulemand wrote:
Alizabeth Vea wrote:


Bring it, you whiny little insignificant lout. L-C, we'll be waiting. (Although, if you could kindly wait until the first of the year so I can enjoy stomping your fleet with the rest of -FA-.) You worthless little *****; you pathetic ****, come face us. I seldom use foul language, but in this case, I want you to know that you're being insulted.


You have nothing of value. Why waste time on you?


I didn't say we had anything of value-wait a second., we do. Tech, gobs and gobs and gobs of tech. Oh, did I mention we kill Serps by the gross lots? Around forty two ships killed in the last two days. Wait, I missed a word there. Forty two thousand Serpentis ships killed in the last two days. Almost half of them are battleships. So, a little bit of quick math yields that we've killed over five million of your people in the last forty eight hours. (If you think we're nice enough to let escape pods go, you're using too much of your own drugs.) I will also point out that we do this just because we are bored. We're not seeking revenge for anything; we just want some extra ISK and some Vindicator BPCs.

You said nothing about value, cretin. You said those who do not cooperate. And, -FA- sure as hell will not.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.

Grideris
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2012-12-23 02:11:34 UTC
I think I like this Alizabeth character. She's kicking your ass, and she's kicking it well.

As for your message: you know how explaining a joke kills it? The same applies for propaganda. All those people on the planet below can still see the rest of the thread. To be honest, they're likely laughing at you for getting chewed out by a real Serpentis officer (because I know I am).

Launette Vylier wrote:
Vikarion wrote:
...killing customers tends to be a bad idea.


You're seriously pitching me that argument?

I mean, it's not like people snort lines of exile from a hooker's rack to improve their health, right?



I would have thought you would want to sell them your goods before you killed them, not after. You guys don't seem to care for your clients once your wallets have been sufficiently padded by them, but before? Got to make that sale.

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Vikarion
Doomheim
#53 - 2012-12-23 02:31:52 UTC
Launette Vylier wrote:
Vikarion wrote:
...killing customers tends to be a bad idea.


You're seriously pitching me that argument?

I mean, it's not like people snort lines of exile from a hooker's rack to improve their health, right?



Hmm. Well, tell you what. Try sticking some, say, strychnine in your various products, and see how much market share you keep.

Idiot.

Let me try to put this simply: your customers don't tend to care about what happens to other people. But when those people could be themselves, it is another matter entirely. Sure, blow away some station in the Bleak Lands, and your sales won't be affected. But blow away a city in the Fed, where your customers live, and now they have to make the choice of continuing to support an organization that views murdering them as a reasonable past time. People tend to frequent violent drug dealers less often.

And, if I may be so bold, attracting attention to your operations is pretty stupid as well. You were selling just fine before this - hell, I use boosters myself. But how long until Roden announces a new task force on boosters, or the Senate decides to play investigative committee?

You'd better hope that those poppies make you a freaking mint, or you have lost yourselves money that would otherwise be flowing regularly into your pockets.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#54 - 2012-12-23 02:50:06 UTC
Who knows, Vikarion? Given your new affiliation we might end up working together on something for once.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#55 - 2012-12-23 04:07:33 UTC
Hulemand wrote:
It is called propaganda, it is there to inflict doubt, disbelief and confusion.


It is called 'giving the game away'. Propaganda ceases to be useful on a meaningful level when you explain the propaganda, maintaining only the passive memetic structure.

Hulemand wrote:
Are you confused? Good! It means that the actually target audience of my press release, the federation citizens, those poor bastards down on the planets, most like are too.


I was in fact confused. I have neurological issues with word comprehension and memory, though, so I doubt the problem is widespread. You have now clarified this confusion to the detriment of your own position. I appreciate the help, sir.

Hulemand wrote:
To make it clear once and for all to every god damn capsuleer in New Eden, The Coreli Corporation 100 % back up the Serpentis Corporation and its brave pilots in their actions in the Evaulon System.


More clarity, thank you. For someone apparently engaging in a disinformation campaign you are being remarkably helpful.

May your goals be ever unmet, sir.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#56 - 2012-12-23 10:24:31 UTC
It not called propaganda here, it might be more salvaging, or backpedaling.

Propaganda usually avoids to sound confused and full of uncertainty.
Launette Vylier
Serpentis Corporation
Serpentis
#57 - 2012-12-23 18:56:31 UTC
Vikarion wrote:
Launette Vylier wrote:
Vikarion wrote:
...killing customers tends to be a bad idea.


You're seriously pitching me that argument?

I mean, it's not like people snort lines of exile from a hooker's rack to improve their health, right?



Hmm. Well, tell you what. Try sticking some, say, strychnine in your various products, and see how much market share you keep.

Idiot.

Let me try to put this simply: your customers don't tend to care about what happens to other people. But when those people could be themselves, it is another matter entirely. Sure, blow away some station in the Bleak Lands, and your sales won't be affected. But blow away a city in the Fed, where your customers live, and now they have to make the choice of continuing to support an organization that views murdering them as a reasonable past time. People tend to frequent violent drug dealers less often.

And, if I may be so bold, attracting attention to your operations is pretty stupid as well. You were selling just fine before this - hell, I use boosters myself. But how long until Roden announces a new task force on boosters, or the Senate decides to play investigative committee?



There there, it's alright sweetheart. I didn't expect you to understand.

Vikarion wrote:
You'd better hope that those poppies make you a freaking mint, or you have lost yourselves money that would otherwise be flowing regularly into your pockets.


They already have, and we're in a position where we'll continue to make a huge profit from research. I fail to see the issue.

Everyone who takes our pills, everyone who snorts our powder and everyone who slips a needle into their skin knows who produced their boosters and narcotics, knows we don't exactly operate on the right side of the law, and doesn't care because they get what they need, and it's the highest quality product around.

So, in short, your whining means nothing. Have a nice evening.

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#58 - 2012-12-23 21:03:24 UTC
On the other hand you have been hemoraghing capsuleer support lately. Some of your pet corporations are starting to slip the leash and you might not like where their teeth will be pointed.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Launette Vylier
Serpentis Corporation
Serpentis
#59 - 2012-12-23 22:01:01 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
On the other hand you have been hemoraghing capsuleer support lately. Some of your pet corporations are starting to slip the leash and you might not like where their teeth will be pointed.


We've never had much support from capsuleers regardless, other than Coreli, who generally do a rock solid job on the field.

Since Evaulon, the amount of contact we've made with capsuleers has been staggering. The vast majority of it has been on business terms.

If we're making a deal with someone, we keep it far, far away from such a cesspit as the Intergalactic Summit.

That said, if the few small corporations who've renounced support for us want to make a public display of getting the hell out because they can't stand the heat, that's their problem not ours.

I just find it ironic that they're now changing their ways and making a public display of it, to try and salvage what's left of their reputations after flip-flopping their loyalties for the last few weeks.

I've got news for you, People:

Tens of millions die, every day, all over the cluster.

They served their purpose. They're dead. This is the way of things. Get over it.

Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#60 - 2012-12-23 23:13:52 UTC
I, for one, am elated with the grace and amour propre demonstrated as of late in these IGS communiques. Many of these public statements would have been more appropriately discussed in private through the proper Sepentis and Cartel contacts.

No need for Capsuleer dissemination was there for this particular thread. Dissected by the dirt-walkers as it has undoubtedly and shall continued to be, this thread has caused you more harm than good.


"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21