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Humble Observations From Foreign Blood

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Korsavius
Revenent Defence Corperation
#41 - 2012-12-20 17:22:04 UTC
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Korsavius wrote:
Meanwhile, the State can take care of its radicals, such as yourself.


I'm curious Korsavius-haan. What exactly makes Kim-haani a "radical" and why should the State act against a loyal citizen-soldier who has served in the defence of its national survival against enemies with loyalty, dedication and sacrifice and whose merits, deeds and accomplishments for the greater good of the State made in the hardships of armed conflict be cause for censure?


I can't help but stifle myself from laughing at this question, in all honesty. What makes Diana Kim radical? Have you seen her posts in other threads? Have you seen her almost obsessive interest in every action I-RED takes? Have you seen her mad claims to resort to the complete and utter destruction of entire populations of planets in order to see the fall of the Federation? Please, it is unfathomable as to why someone like you would attempt to stick up for this creature of violence and destruction.

And loyal to the State, you say? Again, please. She is a privateer painting herself to loyal to the Caldari State. A pirate out to seek her own interests, and, for a fair period of time, the interests of the Amarr Empire, not the State. You will find a great deal majority of capsuleers who frequent these communications channels to hold Diana Kim in similar light.

Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
More to the point, how do you propose yourself or perhaps more specifically Ishukone, should "take care" of supposed "radicals" and loyal soldiers of the State such as Kim-haani? Do you also consider all citizens whom serve in the armed forces of the Caldari State in the defence of its interests as required by the Chief Executive Panel and State Executor Tibus Heth to be "radicals" that will have to be "taken care" of?


Please note I said the Caldari State, not Ishukone alone, should take care of these internal affairs. Nor do I claim or consider that all citizens who serve or served in the armed forces to be radicals, as I myself would be one too if going by that definition.

However, that is a very interesting question you pose. What should be done to handle these radicals? Radicals, in any culture, are bound to exist. Fortunately, most people are level-headed, and thus this group is a minority in the vast spectrum of social groups. My guess would be if the current war did not exist, the radicals in the State would have less ground on which to recruit more, and thus they will be so small they won't pose much a threat to anyone. I am no lawyer or legislator, however, so what exactly should be done is nothing but speculation for me.

Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
If the comment was due to a need to to defend oneself from allegations of collaboration with the enemies of the State by Kim-haani, I fail to see the need when Ishukone's (And perhaps certain subsidiaries) collaboration with the Federal authorities and President Jacus Roden is already well known fact.


The comment was not made in defending I-RED from working with Federation-loyal entities. We did. However, Diana Kim makes it out to seem that we actively sought to work against the State, which is a fallacy. I-RED allied itself with a number of Gallente corporations in order to attempt to weed out the privateers and pirates who dared fly the State flag in combat. In doing so we made the effort to protect the honorable name of the State, and its citizens, from greed-hoarding, violent monstrosities such as, you guessed it, Diana Kim.

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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#42 - 2012-12-21 13:06:57 UTC
Korsavius wrote:
What makes Diana Kim radical? Have you seen her posts in other threads? Have you seen her almost obsessive interest in every action I-RED takes?
Now this is a lie from your side. I never interested in actions that your traitorous corporation does. And if I write to you, it doesn't mean I follow you or your corporation in your pirating deeds.

I am here only because YOU DARED to say words of loyalty to the State while wearing that corp tag.

Being a 'radical'? Don't think so. Being harsh? Sure. Well, do not expect me to show respect to traitors, because it's like walking down the street with a waste bin on your head... naked.
Korsavius wrote:
the interests of the Amarr Empire, not the State.
These are words of a hnolku, not of a haan.

The Empire is our only ally in this war, and opposing it to the State is what our enemies from the Republic and Federation are trying to do. And you.
Korsavius wrote:
The comment was not made in defending I-RED from working with Federation-loyal entities. We did. However, Diana Kim makes it out to seem that we actively sought to work against the State, which is a fallacy.
Fallacy, you say? Well, I didnt reference working together with just Federal-loyal entities. I mentioned declaring WAR against those, who worked directly in interests of the State as a whole, and working together with those, who were not just loyal to Federation, but with those, who FOUGHT against the State. Gallente militia.
Fallacy?

Maybe you want to deny it, so I could raise some topics from archives and show you as a complete liar? Or some battlereports? Well, unfortunately, it is against rules to cite them here, but I can provide dates and systems, where you or others from your corporation committed crimes against the State.
Korsavius wrote:
I-RED allied itself with a number of Gallente corporations in order to attempt to weed out the privateers and pirates who dared fly the State flag in combat.
Then why didn't you start from your corporation first? It's bad practice to notice chips in others eyes when there's a huge log in your own.

Besides, if there are any pirates inside military, it is solved by military, not some amateur civilians from outside, who even work for enemies. We, Caldari, can solve our problems ourselves, especially delicate ones, without help of jaijii.

Want to intervene with jaijii into our affairs? Be prepared for out boots to meet your nose!

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

John Revenent
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#43 - 2012-12-21 14:20:12 UTC  |  Edited by: John Revenent
Diana Kim wrote:
Fallacy, you say? Well, I didnt reference working together with just Federal-loyal entities. I mentioned declaring WAR against those, who worked directly in interests of the State as a whole, and working together with those, who were not just loyal to Federation, but with those, who FOUGHT against the State. Gallente militia.


You do know the organization we declared war on has been working alongside elements in the Gallente Militia for years.. of course you know you were part of that organization while they conducted these joint-operations.

You can stop any day now.. baka.

Ishukone Loyalist - Private Contractor

"Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned."

Rorin Cutter
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#44 - 2012-12-22 10:50:54 UTC
Sofia Roseburn wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:
Sofia Roseburn wrote:

Tell me kvende, how do you feel about the fact that your parent corporation, and in particular it's leader, has a vested history in assisting the CVA in slaving raids against your ancestral home?


What ?

Can you provide your sources please ? That sounds like low level slander to me.


If you look at the operational history of the entire alliance, there was a period around the last proper combat operation into Providence (late 111 stretching into 112) where I-RED were fighting alongside CVA. Whilst they have always abjectly denied the accusations of assistance in slaving raids, they have never refuted them, choosing to deflect away from the issue. When I brought the issue up at the Malkalen memorial in mid 112 many of the members there were happy to say "what happened in the past is in the past", but the problem is, the such things tend to follow you around like a bad smell.

One might claim ignorance I suppose, I-RED's behalf, but the records, combat and conversation, speak for themselves. Combat logs are easily found showing their collaboration with CVA in Republic territory, and I am more than happy to provide what logs I have from the Malkalen memorial. Beyond that, I think it'll be up to Korsavius to address the questions I have asked.


CVA has never had slaving raids into any systems, planets or territory. Ergo you insinuate that I-Red and CVA do these things? Why would you say this thing?
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#45 - 2012-12-22 11:18:29 UTC
John Revenent wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Fallacy, you say? Well, I didnt reference working together with just Federal-loyal entities. I mentioned declaring WAR against those, who worked directly in interests of the State as a whole, and working together with those, who were not just loyal to Federation, but with those, who FOUGHT against the State. Gallente militia.


You do know the organization we declared war on has been working alongside elements in the Gallente Militia for years.. of course you know you were part of that organization while they conducted these joint-operations.

You can stop any day now.. baka.

This is not my concern anymore what are they doing now and whom are they flying with. I have stayed in the corp only while they were working for the State and in interests of Caldari people, either directly, or on Her Majesty service. And as for me, I don't mind working with one enemy, if it will lead to destruction of another enemy, and won't harm the State in any mean.

Disregarding what this corp does now, when you declared war on the corp, it was the leading militia corporation, well, it was really the most powerful and significant Caldari capsuleer force during that time. It was the corporation, that kept all gallentes docked and defended Black Rise from any major force, that was threatening Caldari way of life. Using words of one of your own corp members, they were not just part of militia, but they were militia itself.

I am sorry to see what happened to them now. But I am even more sorry to see you calling yourself 'Caldari' after what you have done.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

kul Shaishi
Yurai-Tenshin Zaibatsu
#46 - 2012-12-22 15:44:31 UTC  |  Edited by: kul Shaishi
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#47 - 2012-12-22 17:30:37 UTC
kul Shaishi wrote:

You know, this is the most pathetic defense attempt that I have ever seen. Even disregarding the fact, that is has meaning like 'you are wrong because you are bad', the whole argumentation... wait, did I say argumentation? Have you ever read what you have linked? I wouldn't be surprised if your next post will be something like "You are bad, because potato".

I don't even know why I am replying to this. Maybe because it made me smile?

But the sad part is, that the people with such... akhem... "amazing analytical abilities" are used this way by their superiors in desperate attempt to wash away meter-deep layer of dirt from their names.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#48 - 2012-12-22 18:30:56 UTC
You can call Kim many, many things. Lunatic, radical, insane, moronic, all come to mind, but I don't think that anyone could ever call her a traitor.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#49 - 2012-12-22 18:36:49 UTC
Alizabeth Vea wrote:
You can call Kim many, many things. Lunatic, radical, insane, moronic,

potato, ...

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

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