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Account sharing, a change is needed

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Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#61 - 2012-12-21 14:09:58 UTC
The Lady Nighthawk wrote:
Hi

I believe that account sharing should not be against the EULA. There are players who are in the military an are punished because you cannot change there skills for them because you fear being banned. so here is a list

1. military players get punished for playing
2. Your friend has an orca but you cannot use it because you risk being banned
3. A JF is needed, your friend has one but u cant use it for the same reason above

I could go on but i think that ccp should issue blanket rules

1. If you share an account, you should be able to mark it in your account management. I.e a button saying *account is shared*
2. If your account is robbed, CCP should ban the player who robbed it but none of your stuff will be returned

etc

it will not be hard to implement. CCP need to be more lenient and put things in place.

I have not account shared myself, but, that being said, things need to change.

Please like the post if you agree.


Btw champion you can play casual (skills keep going even offline) so there is no punishement dont say your military because iam.... and you can play it casual easy you dont need 24 hours online in eve for some isk. This is more a request let me bot please...

I hope CCP never never agree on this one this is in so many levels wrong.
Diesel47
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#62 - 2012-12-21 14:45:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Diesel47
CCP Eterne wrote:
I have unlocked the topic, but it did require serious clean up. Discussion of whether account sharing should be legal or not is a valid topic, including giving reasons such as individuals in the military having people change skills for them. However, you should keep discussion of the topic and its reasons non-politically involved and refrain from insulting other posters.


Rofl Type40 got owned.

CCP Eterne ftw.
Abu Shahid
Gangnam Style.
#63 - 2012-12-21 15:31:43 UTC
It shouldn't be too long until the CREST API systems are implemented; you'll be able to change your skill queues remotely then. No EULA change needed.
S'No Flake
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#64 - 2012-12-21 15:47:24 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Mr Pragmatic wrote:
People in the military are entitlement to special treatment, they sacrifice THEIR rights so you can have yours.
It doesn't matter what military you are in.


In reality, certainly. In a computer game, no. Your opinion of them sacrificing their rights is open to debate as there is plenty of military jobs where this is not the case & the fact is, these people choose to have these jobs. They chose to join the military in the first place. It's pointless trying to claim special treatment for being in the military when for all we know, you could be a general hand.


I wish would be that easy.
No, not everyone can choose or have a word on this matter.
In some places you have to go, or ... go to jail... or worst.
EvEa Deva
Doomheim
#65 - 2012-12-21 15:57:53 UTC
Never share your account info, I could see some kind of extended skill queue for active military ( of any Nation )

Remember your wife could become your Ex wife and just think of all the nasty things she could do with your poor EvE guy.
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#66 - 2012-12-21 23:28:36 UTC
I always though that account sharing was one of these "don't get caught" things. You know you shouldn't, you know it's a huge security risk. But also there are people you trust, and certain situations where it's necessary...(in the hospital and POS running out of fuel, etc). I was unaware that CCP was actively policing this and if they were- how can they? By IP? What about people who travel? By GUID? What about people with more than one computer? There's no way to prove categorically that I am NOT logged in to my account.

On the other hand if your account gets hijacked, well, tough luck.
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#67 - 2012-12-21 23:44:40 UTC

Reason I would support some form of account sharing:

I want to share my stuff with my son or brother or close friend...

Problems with account sharing....

1.) Someone could steal your account.
--- They could change your account info and make off with it, and I don't think CCP should have to "sort it out". That's a blatant waste of their resources, and it opens up a whole can of worms in proving who's account it actually is...

2.) Someone could sabotage your account, botting, RMT'ing, etc...
--- If this happens, the account, and all correlated accounts should be banned.. .even if it wasn't you...

3.) Someone could ruin your account... Cause lots of SP loss, cause massive loss of assets, etc...
--- If you share your account, this risk should be completely on you... If someone empties out your stuff and causes massive losses, you shouldn't have any recourse... but people will still file petitions and bring CCP into it...

In general, you can cause much, much more damage to a person when you get ahold of there account than you could through any "in-game" means... and as such, needs a little more attention.

The problem is, people don't take personal responsibility, and will whine ***** and moan to CCP about their "losses". CCP shouldn't have to deal with this, and frankly the only way to prevent it is to ban account sharing...

Personally, I think CCP's policy on account sharing should be.... If you share an account, and it creates a "problem" that escalates to CCP's GM's, then the account get's banned. In other words, it should be a "don't ask, don't tell" policy.



Zaraz Zaraz
Zontik Paraphernalia Inc
#68 - 2012-12-21 23:54:43 UTC
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:

In other words, it should be a "don't ask, don't tell" policy.


So what you are saying is that account sharing is g^H^H oops don't want to get the thread locked again!

Also, what if someone is totally sick of the sado-masochistic nature of the game, hate where CCP is taking it but have a kickass character with lots of SP and want to let someone else (who is into S&M) enjoy it?
Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
#69 - 2012-12-22 01:30:01 UTC
CausticS0da wrote:


Nobody cares if you're in 'duh military' or not ... You're not special so I don't get where you get your sense of entitlement from.

Probably the same place where you get your sense of entitlement to liberty.

Instead of account sharing, how about we get the ability to rent things out? Temporary contracts with an expiration that make the item exempt from sale. Much like a hauler contract the renter could require a certain amount of collateral to ensure the rentee doesn't do anything stupid.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#70 - 2012-12-22 03:30:46 UTC
Zaraz Zaraz wrote:
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:

In other words, it should be a "don't ask, don't tell" policy.


So what you are saying is that account sharing is g^H^H oops don't want to get the thread locked again!

Also, what if someone is totally sick of the sado-masochistic nature of the game, hate where CCP is taking it but have a kickass character with lots of SP and want to let someone else (who is into S&M) enjoy it?

Sticks and stones may break my bones
But whips and cuffs excite me!

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#71 - 2012-12-22 03:33:14 UTC  |  Edited by: SmilingVagrant
RomeStar wrote:
CausticS0da wrote:
Nobody cares if you're in 'duh military' or not ... You're not special so I don't get where you get your sense of entitlement from.



Yeah you go pick up a rifle and walk the wire or were you born with a silver spoon up your arse. Men have died so you can post this crap so respect it.


As an American I can safely say that not a single soldier has died to protect my freedoms in the last 10 years. We have put one in jail who was attempting to protect my freedoms and branded him a traitor though.

EDIT: But I'm perfectly fine with someone logging in on a soldiers account and training skills for him. The Soldier joins intending to do service to the body politic. It's not his fault that it's corrupt.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#72 - 2012-12-22 03:41:28 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
As an American I can safely say that not a single soldier has died to protect my freedoms in the last 10 years. We have put one in jail who was attempting to protect my freedoms and branded him a traitor though.

I dare say it's been more than the past 10 years.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#73 - 2012-12-22 03:48:33 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
SmilingVagrant wrote:
As an American I can safely say that not a single soldier has died to protect my freedoms in the last 10 years. We have put one in jail who was attempting to protect my freedoms and branded him a traitor though.

I dare say it's been more than the past 10 years.


X-com UFO Defense game out in 1994 and I"m not convinced it wasn't a documentary yet.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#74 - 2012-12-22 04:39:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
SmilingVagrant wrote:
As an American I can safely say that not a single soldier has died to protect my freedoms in the last 10 years. We have put one in jail who was attempting to protect my freedoms and branded him a traitor though.

I dare say it's been more than the past 10 years.


Gentlemen, these are the most ignorant statements I have seen either one of you make since you began posting on this board.

Both of you are far more intelligent than this.

Furthermore I don't believe the OP said anything about only the US military. Many countries actually respect the people that risk their lives and futures for the sake of others (whom often are not citizens of the country the soldier represents). Perhaps Americans have been secure from outside threat for so long that they are more prone than others to taking for granted (and disrespecting) the very people that have dedicated their lives to protecting them from harm.

Regardless, it would probably be best for us all to focus on the topic at hand.

As to the original topic, people in this game get far too fixated on accumulating skill points... when they should be focused on utilizing the skill points (and personal skills) they already possess to their maximum potential for generating fun.

Enjoyment is the point to this game, not being in a mad rush to accumulate skill points.

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DelBoy Trades
Trotter Independent Traders.
Disaster Strikes
#75 - 2012-12-22 09:49:14 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Gentlemen, these are the most ignorant statements I have seen either one of you make since you began posting on this board.

Enlighten us please.

Damn nature, you scary!

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#76 - 2012-12-22 10:53:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Akita T
Full rights and privileges account sharing should probably not be allowed HOWEVER a "sitter" status should be grantable to any number of characters.
Appointing "sitters" should have rights management systems vaguely similar to corp rights management systems, wherein you grant access to certain parts of your own rights to different CHARACTERS.

Possible grantable rights to a sitter (each subright being an individual checkbox, and some also containing input boxes):
- add, ppend, insert, delete and/or push out skills to/from queue
- local / homebase / general personal hangar access and/or container access
- wallet access, with optional max allowed transfer limit
- modify / cancel / place market orders and/or contracts (requires wallet access with enough to the wallet limit, and some hangar access for new order placement)

You don't actually LOG IN to a "sat" character, you access it via an interface in your own account, and the stuff you can do is limited to what the target character can do at his location, and is limited to what COULD THEORETICALLY BE DONE VIA TEXT MODE ONLY (i.e. web page access).
And while we're at it, please give full access to all of the above to oneself VIA EVEGATE Lol

Accessing an account could be doable in one (or both) of two ways:
- a new tab (probably under char management) with a list of accounts that have appointed you as sitter
- from the target character showinfo, a new "you are a sittter to this character" button

You can decline and block the appointment as sitter to any character, or you can set a "automatically reject sitter appointments" status (for all people, or just for people not in your contact list -> this later one would be the default).

You could probably even add a "allow any sitter for skillqueue appends" option -> ANYBODY in the game, when viewing your character profile, if you have any free space in your skillqueue, they can add any skill at the very end (but can't insert, push out, nor delete anything from the queue).
This would also mean you allow all people to see your exact skill list. This would obviously be disabled by default.

Optionally, all of the above could be made to be accessible via EVEGATE too.
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#77 - 2012-12-22 10:59:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Brooks Puuntai
Like Akita said, allow the account holder to set certain privileges similar to API, then allow linking it to another person who can only access the account with those privileges.

E: This will obviously be abused, but the damages probably won't be so bad so long as there are restrictions.

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