Missions & Complexes

Well they have not revealed what mechanics generate what amount of threat. We will have to learn through experimentation.

It would make sense that a drone boat gets its drones agro'd more often as the drones are doing more damage than the ship. i.e. generating more threat. But we also know that remote reps and ewar generate more threat than damage.

Using a tracking disruptor or damper on the NPC's or using a small remote rep on your drones should boost agro enough to pull the NPC's back off your drones. However there are many ships without extra slots to fit those modules. This means the standard solo PVE fits will change as we adapt to the new A.I.

The real negative affect has been overlooked by many. The new A.I. can be beat with a little more work. it will not belong before we have new proven fits for PVE to address the new A.I. issues. But the one thing that will not change is missions now take longer to complete. No matter how you look at it, or how you adapt to it, this change has resulted in a reduction in isk/hr for all mission runners and ratters.

But is this a good thing or a bad thing? For a long time there were many complaints about how mission runners made 5-6 times as much isk/hr as mining with only slightly more risk. The changes to mining ships, and the removal of drone alloy drops has overall increased the income of miners, reducing the gap. The average well equipped boosted miner went from about 10 mil/hour up to about 25 mil/hour, a decent increase. Now with this change the income of mission runners and ratters has been reduced. Slower kills for the same rewards mean less isk/hr. this has reduced the gap even farther. Combine the A.I. changes making missions and ratting take longer for the same rewards with the reduction in loot that has slowly been introduced it is much harder to make 60 mil/hour running missions than it used to be. The gap in isk/hr between miners and mission runners/ratters is getting much smaller. i won't even get into the huge nerf to isk/hr incursion runners have seen this year. Sure it is still great isk/hr, but not what it was.

What of other larger scale incomes like the CTC's tech cartel controlling the price of technetium by controlling all the moons it is mined from. Well reducing the cost of POS fuel combined with the new alchemy should help that from getting out of control. Could this be the real reason behind the changes to mining that have made ICE mining much easier to AFK reducing the price of ice products across the EVE universe?

What does this mean for the game? Well if players are making less isk/hr they will have less to spend. Having less isk to spend will result in less players paying crazy amounts for the rare, over prices modules. Overall it will curb the inflation of the in game economy that has gotten so out of had in recent months.

What it comes down to is all the changes we have seen in the game in the last year seem to be geared toward reducing overall income to combat inflation. As a whole we have seen the prices of almost everything more than double in the past 3 years. Now with these changes the market seems to be shifting the other way. Prices of many things are getting stable and even coming down, while the prices of some things that were to low are being brought up. The EVE economy is getting more balanced. Could the true motivation behind the recent changes be to curb inflation. Yes or No it seems to be working. I believe looking at the bigger picture the game as a whole has improved more than I would have ever expected in the last year. I may not personally like some of the changes, but they all seem to have more benefits overall then whatever they may have nerfed.

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some of us dont complain, we simply use caldari ships now. Those who cant will complain cause they cant use the only effective option left now.
TL;DR pf Rain6637 text wall: CCP ****** up yet again, live with it.

Thanks for the fitting.

I have no problems doing any of the complexes in my prot even with drones. I use a similar fot to that except I actually use rails(i know rails suck and all that) but popping stuff at 40km without having to mwd to everything just seems faster to me. (It may not be just feels like it to me) Frigs usually go down in a single volley assuming of course they get hit.

Honestly i have no issues with drones, i was just wondering about the difference in how the npc ai now decides whether or not to target them.

I was really just wondering about that, in the algos drone seem to get targeted the moment I release them, on the prot i let them out and they run around like squirrels on crack the whole time and very rarely get targeted, I lost one drone in like 7 sites, and that was only because i walked away to get a new beer. I have not had a ton of play time so I haven't been able to test a vexor, isthar, or myrm.

Ill have to try the ew thing and slap a target painter or tracking disruptor on. Plus I should grab an ishtar and see if the result is the same, it maybe that the AI sees the Algos as not a threat at all so it doesnt bother targeting it but sees the proteus as the biggest threat so it gets focus fired.

ohh and lol on the nuet thing, I went down to blood raider town and hit a pretty nice anom, I havent messed with blood raiders in for ever and forgot about the whole nueting thing. I think at one time I had like 7 cruisers nueting me, went cap dead and actually had an oh **** moment, for a second I thought i was going to get popped just for being dumb/lazy and not paying attention. I actually had to warp out and back in, kept the cruisers at range and finished off the anom. That would have been a ridiculously stupid way to lose a proteus.

Yep I do use a web. Usually dont launch drones until the frigs get in range either.

Maybe thats it. Ill have to test that some more with a drone boat and see what happens.