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Heavy Assult Cruiser Rebalance?
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Aron Binchiette
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-12-21 07:25:50 UTC
Any one know when they are going to be doing the HAC rebalance?
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#2 - 2012-12-21 07:32:59 UTC
Probably winter next year? Maybe. Battlecruisers, battleships, and maybe T1 industrials are up next.

How did you Veterans start?
Dibblerette
Solitude-Industries
#3 - 2012-12-21 08:44:20 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
Probably winter next year? Maybe. Battlecruisers, battleships, and maybe T1 industrials are up next.

Industrials will be interesting, but yeah, I believe they should be getting to those by the Summer 2013 expansion. Winter 2013 might be capitals, which would probably be a patch of it's own, so it might not be until SUMMER 2014, which is awful.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#4 - 2012-12-21 09:38:48 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
Dibblerette wrote:
ShahFluffers wrote:
Probably winter next year? Maybe. Battlecruisers, battleships, and maybe T1 industrials are up next.

Industrials will be interesting, but yeah, I believe they should be getting to those by the Summer 2013 expansion. Winter 2013 might be capitals, which would probably be a patch of it's own, so it might not be until SUMMER 2014, which is awful.

I don't think it will take that long. There are only 12 battlecruiser, 12 battleships, 8 regular capitals and 8 super capitals... for a total of 40 or so ships left on the list of Tech 1 ships (excluding industrial ships).
That's about the same number of ships that have been rebalanced in the last 1 and a half expansions (some frigs were worked over during summer).

There is a good chance Tech 2 and faction ships will be worked over by winter next year.



THEN AGAIN... this IS CCP we're talking about. Blink

How did you Veterans start?
Smabs
State War Academy
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-12-21 09:45:18 UTC
At least the entire lineup of battleships doesn't need changing rather than a few particular ones. The hyperion and raven especially need some help.
Danny John-Peter
Blue Canary
Watch This
#6 - 2012-12-21 09:48:08 UTC
Smabs wrote:
At least the entire lineup of battleships doesn't need changing rather than a few particular ones. The hyperion and raven especially need some help.


Hyperion is pretty bawler tbh, can't say it needs much changing.
Smabs
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-12-21 09:50:17 UTC
It's cool but it's pretty expensive and not all that much better than a mega because of the weird slot layout. Of course you can shield tank it but then it wastes a bonus. The hype could probably do with having a slot moved or by having the rep bonus changed to something else.
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#8 - 2012-12-21 10:04:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Hidden Snake
Smabs wrote:
It's cool but it's pretty expensive and not all that much better than a mega because of the weird slot layout. Of course you can shield tank it but then it wastes a bonus. The hype could probably do with having a slot moved or by having the rep bonus changed to something else.


Hyperion is not fleet BS in its best role ... u just have to keep that in mind and it is very good. Raven is well ... kinda broken and very very situational, but it is more problem of ****** up cruise missiles and with missile skills applying to torps now I have to check the torp raven again.

I believe BSs dont need that much fixing or reshuffling .... just little tune.

HACs are now kinda useless compared to their t1 brethrens and navycruisers are also hard to justify (except for SFI).
Smabs
State War Academy
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-12-21 10:07:47 UTC
Oh, yeah I'm not saying that the hype is bad at all. Just that even as a solo or small gang ship its bonuses and slot layout don't match up too well.
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#10 - 2012-12-21 10:14:58 UTC
Smabs wrote:
Oh, yeah I'm not saying that the hype is bad at all. Just that even as a solo or small gang ship its bonuses and slot layout don't match up too well.


well to shine u have to link boost it (as many other stuff in eve). Problem is in actual LAR II setup. It is hard to get functional active armor tanked BS in this days of ASB.

we had fight with 2 hypes recently and they were tanking pretty good. and midlosts allow u tto do some ewar counter ewar magic.
Smabs
State War Academy
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-12-21 10:22:00 UTC
Yeah, true. More specifically you need to fit 2 large reps to get any sort of decent tank, which only leaves four slots for resists or damage. The mega actually has a better slot layout for repping while being way cheaper. That's why I think it'd be better to move 1 mid down to a low slot for the hype, or otherwise change the repping bonus to something else.

The hybrid buff helped a lot since you can get ions and a full fit onto it pretty easy now while being able to hit out decently far with null.
Jo Kiyoko
Perkone
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-12-21 10:26:18 UTC
The cruiser tier is the most expanded upon in terms of ship hulls, it's going to take a while.
Bouh Revetoile
In Wreck we thrust
#13 - 2012-12-21 11:02:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Bouh Revetoile
Smabs wrote:
Yeah, true. More specifically you need to fit 2 large reps to get any sort of decent tank, which only leaves four slots for resists or damage. The mega actually has a better slot layout for repping while being way cheaper. That's why I think it'd be better to move 1 mid down to a low slot for the hype, or otherwise change the repping bonus to something else.

The hybrid buff helped a lot since you can get ions and a full fit onto it pretty easy now while being able to hit out decently far with null.

IMO the problem is more about active armor tanking and armor vs shield balance than about the slot layout.

There's no point at making the hyperion a second megathron BTW, and the 5 mid slot allow for either a lot of utility if armor tanked or a shield tank.

I really hope they won't kill these options with the tiericide.
Anemonae Ambrosia
Royal Order of Security Specialists
#14 - 2012-12-21 17:06:25 UTC
I can't wait that long for T2s to get balanced. This whole process is just ******** slow
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-12-21 18:23:18 UTC
Anemonae Ambrosia wrote:
I can't wait that long for T2s to get balanced. This whole process is just ******** slow

haste makes waste.

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Cephelange du'Krevviq
Gildinous Vangaurd
The Initiative.
#16 - 2012-12-21 18:36:40 UTC
Anemonae Ambrosia wrote:
I can't wait that long for T2s to get balanced. This whole process is just ******** slow


Then if CCP rushes it and somehow borks it, people will ***** and whine. It's really for the best for you to be patient.

"I am a leaf on the...ah, frak it!"
Kusum Fawn
Perkone
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-12-21 18:55:11 UTC
If there is one thing that you should know about CCP.
Its that they cant do anything right when rushed.

Id rather wait then have broken mechanics forced on us.
But then CCP has never been good about that either.
So you might get the HAC rebalance sooner then you think.

Its not possible to please all the people all the time, but it sure as hell is possible to Displease all the people, most of the time.
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
#18 - 2012-12-21 23:23:51 UTC
Kusum Fawn wrote:
If there is one thing that you should know about CCP.
Its that they cant do anything right when rushed.

Id rather wait then have broken mechanics forced on us.
But then CCP has never been good about that either.
So you might get the HAC rebalance sooner then you think.


The painful thing is that in some cases, T1 hulls are now better than their T2 equivalents. Exploration frigates, for instance. I'd feel kinda silly diving into low-sec or a wormhole in a T2 Buzzard, when the T1 Heron is in many ways better.

Same with T1 Caracal, vs the faction Navy Caracal or the T2 Cerberus. Sure, the later two are still better, but only very marginally so, which isn't how CCP ever intended the game to be.

At least when boosting each T1 hull, CCP ought to also give their T2 and faction equivalents a tentative and provisional boost, maybe just an extra slot here and there, or a slightly bigger bonus (increase a 5%/lvl to 6%/lvl or 7.5%/lvl), while still being very explicit about this being a temporary thing and that they'll be looked at more closely at a later date.
Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#19 - 2012-12-21 23:58:08 UTC
Smabs wrote:
It's cool but it's pretty expensive and not all that much better than a mega because of the weird slot layout. Of course you can shield tank it but then it wastes a bonus. The hype could probably do with having a slot moved or by having the rep bonus changed to something else.


People will want to disagree but you are right. The missing low slot seriously hurts the Hyp's active tank. Unless you faction/deadspace fit it then most of the time a megathron will win a straight up slug fest using a brick build.
Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#20 - 2012-12-22 00:07:35 UTC
Salpad wrote:
Kusum Fawn wrote:
If there is one thing that you should know about CCP.
Its that they cant do anything right when rushed.

Id rather wait then have broken mechanics forced on us.
But then CCP has never been good about that either.
So you might get the HAC rebalance sooner then you think.


The painful thing is that in some cases, T1 hulls are now better than their T2 equivalents. Exploration frigates, for instance. I'd feel kinda silly diving into low-sec or a wormhole in a T2 Buzzard, when the T1 Heron is in many ways better.

Same with T1 Caracal, vs the faction Navy Caracal or the T2 Cerberus. Sure, the later two are still better, but only very marginally so, which isn't how CCP ever intended the game to be.

At least when boosting each T1 hull, CCP ought to also give their T2 and faction equivalents a tentative and provisional boost, maybe just an extra slot here and there, or a slightly bigger bonus (increase a 5%/lvl to 6%/lvl or 7.5%/lvl), while still being very explicit about this being a temporary thing and that they'll be looked at more closely at a later date.


They are re-balancing EVERY ship.

Also some T2 ships haven't changed since they where released and have been trash since release (Eagle anyone?). I think half the point of buffing T1 ships first is seeing how certain hulls react to having a new role and slot layout change. If ships like the moa prove to be effective (which btw it IS... that thing is a beast with blasters and an ASB) then the T2 rebalance will likely involve become a more tanked and easier to fit version of the T1 ship with added bonuses to really specialise it.

Speculation: Both the Muninn and the Deimos will have a hi-slot moved to a mid slot and gain another lo slot.
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