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Leyla Constantine
Doomheim
#1 - 2011-10-23 13:10:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Leyla Constantine
Hi

If you don't know what Siri is, check the following vid.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SD7sZdAaS2M


For those of you who have seen the vid or know what Siri is. I would like to propose that a Siri like software be introduced to eve. A software we can use to send eve mails convert what we say in our mic to text, do business, move items from our hanger to our ship, use in fleet fights and a lot more.

So basically a software we can use to play eve by using our voice.

Please support my issue would really appriciate itSmile

My Regards
Leyla Constantine
Pa Likka
Bastion of Blind Heathens
#2 - 2011-10-23 13:49:22 UTC
No support.
Leyla Constantine
Doomheim
#3 - 2011-10-23 13:52:17 UTC
I respect you opinion but why? I think we should introduce new technology to eve before it comes out on other MMOs
Daeva Teresa
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2011-10-23 13:58:13 UTC
Me too. Dont want that.

CCP really please dont use Upgraded, Limited, Experimental and Prototype in item names. It sounds like the item is actually worse than basic meta 1 item. Use Calibrated, Enhanced, Optimized and Upgraded. Its really easy to understand that the item is better than meta 1 and its also in alphabetic order.
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#5 - 2011-10-23 14:50:26 UTC
No. There are plenty of voice recognition programs out there, I know Dragon Naturally Speaking is the most popular, if you want to talk to your computer then you should use one of them. They should be able to interface fine with Eve's text boxes so you can dictate mail like that.

I see no reason at all to spend developer time implementing a new control system that's less accurate and efficient than the current one just because it's something different. That kind of feature bloat of adding things that don't actually add anything to Eve just because it sounds cool is what caused all of this uproar over the last 6 months. So, no, just no.
Justin Slayer
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2011-10-23 17:34:02 UTC
I think there should at least be an api exposed for softwares such as this so handicapped (and non handicapped if they prefer) can make use of the software to actually have a chance at playing eve. Most of this software cannot recognize buttons and other objects on the eve screen. The farthest that I have seen in terms of compatibility are something along the lines of "move mouse up, click, move mouse down" etc. Programs with a standard windows forms interface can be accessed by these programs in an easier manner, such as "click submit, select name textbox". If a similar mechanism was exposed for eve (even if ccp didn't do the voice recognition themselves) software may work so that a player can say more intelligent things. Instead of " move left, click here, etc" a player may say "click science and industry, click agent finder, etc.". I think that would be beneficial, and may not require much work on the part of ccp.
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#7 - 2011-10-23 17:58:43 UTC
I've used Siri.

The problem is reaction time and accuracy.
If you need fast, voice recognition will not be useful. And it still makes mistakes.



And cost. I don't think CCP can afford to develope their own or purchase the license for someone else's.
Justin Slayer
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2011-10-23 18:03:27 UTC
Corina Jarr wrote:
I've used Siri.

The problem is reaction time and accuracy.
If you need fast, voice recognition will not be useful. And it still makes mistakes.



And cost. I don't think CCP can afford to develope their own or purchase the license for someone else's.

Although exposing information so that a number of voice programs can use hook into them shouldn't have a prohibitive cost associated with it, and would be a huge leap for disabled and lazy gamers.
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#9 - 2011-10-23 18:13:16 UTC
Justin Slayer wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
I've used Siri.

The problem is reaction time and accuracy.
If you need fast, voice recognition will not be useful. And it still makes mistakes.



And cost. I don't think CCP can afford to develope their own or purchase the license for someone else's.

Although exposing information so that a number of voice programs can use hook into them shouldn't have a prohibitive cost associated with it, and would be a huge leap for disabled and lazy gamers.

Hmm, if the cost was passed onto the gamer (in the form of them paying for the licence) that might be doable.

And as you said it would help those with physical disabilities (don't care about the lazy ones).
Justin Slayer
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2011-10-23 18:20:21 UTC
Corina Jarr wrote:
Justin Slayer wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
I've used Siri.

The problem is reaction time and accuracy.
If you need fast, voice recognition will not be useful. And it still makes mistakes.



And cost. I don't think CCP can afford to develope their own or purchase the license for someone else's.

Although exposing information so that a number of voice programs can use hook into them shouldn't have a prohibitive cost associated with it, and would be a huge leap for disabled and lazy gamers.

Hmm, if the cost was passed onto the gamer (in the form of them paying for the licence) that might be doable.

And as you said it would help those with physical disabilities (don't care about the lazy ones).

The cost should be minimal, and it is unreasonable to charge for this. I am not saying license out voice recognition software , I am saying expose an api or informational system of some sort so existing or new programs can hook into eve and play. One shouldn't have to use a specific voice recognition software to use it.
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#11 - 2011-10-23 18:28:02 UTC
Justin Slayer wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
Justin Slayer wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
I've used Siri.

The problem is reaction time and accuracy.
If you need fast, voice recognition will not be useful. And it still makes mistakes.



And cost. I don't think CCP can afford to develope their own or purchase the license for someone else's.

Although exposing information so that a number of voice programs can use hook into them shouldn't have a prohibitive cost associated with it, and would be a huge leap for disabled and lazy gamers.

Hmm, if the cost was passed onto the gamer (in the form of them paying for the licence) that might be doable.

And as you said it would help those with physical disabilities (don't care about the lazy ones).

The cost should be minimal, and it is unreasonable to charge for this. I am not saying license out voice recognition software , I am saying expose an api or informational system of some sort so existing or new programs can hook into eve and play. One shouldn't have to use a specific voice recognition software to use it.

Someone still has to buy a license to use the voice recognition software (unless a freeware version exists that I am unaware of).
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#12 - 2011-10-23 20:09:37 UTC
Any kind of external API to allow interfacing with the gameplay would be heaven for all botters, it'll never happen. And, no, RMTers will not care at all about paying $30 for a license to run their bot farms.
Justin Slayer
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2011-10-23 20:42:04 UTC
Corina Jarr wrote:
Justin Slayer wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
Justin Slayer wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
I've used Siri.

The problem is reaction time and accuracy.
If you need fast, voice recognition will not be useful. And it still makes mistakes.



And cost. I don't think CCP can afford to develope their own or purchase the license for someone else's.

Although exposing information so that a number of voice programs can use hook into them shouldn't have a prohibitive cost associated with it, and would be a huge leap for disabled and lazy gamers.

Hmm, if the cost was passed onto the gamer (in the form of them paying for the licence) that might be doable.

And as you said it would help those with physical disabilities (don't care about the lazy ones).

The cost should be minimal, and it is unreasonable to charge for this. I am not saying license out voice recognition software , I am saying expose an api or informational system of some sort so existing or new programs can hook into eve and play. One shouldn't have to use a specific voice recognition software to use it.

Someone still has to buy a license to use the voice recognition software (unless a freeware version exists that I am unaware of).

Right, however the software could be left up to the end user, much like many other applications.

As for the concern of botting, it only makes it marginally easier to write a bot. however, most botters do not write the bot, but pay for the bot and bot all day. Writing bots isn't the issue, it is the use of bots. From an end user's perspective, bot usage is the same either way. Bot detection still has to be done another way.
Smiling Menace
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2011-10-24 03:28:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Smiling Menace
I personally have never felt the need to use voice activation software to play eve as I am quite attached to my mouse and keyboard. I also use TS/Vent/Mumble so it would be a pain to have my cursor bounce all over the place when I speak to someone (apologies if this is not how it works, never used it).

I think it would have some merit for those that had difficulty in using a mouse or keyboard but as already mentioned, there is already software for this and I do think it would have an added cost for the rest of the eve players, however minimal, if it was to be implemented.

I don't support this proposal.
Justin Slayer
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2011-10-24 21:20:24 UTC
Smiling Menace wrote:
I personally have never felt the need to use voice activation software to play eve as I am quite attached to my mouse and keyboard. I also use TS/Vent/Mumble so it would be a pain to have my cursor bounce all over the place when I speak to someone (apologies if this is not how it works, never used it).

I think it would have some merit for those that had difficulty in using a mouse or keyboard but as already mentioned, there is already software for this and I do think it would have an added cost for the rest of the eve players, however minimal, if it was to be implemented.

I don't support this proposal.

This clearly could be toggle-able and configurable, so your first issue should not be a problem.

The software out there, as previously mentioned, has no way of 'detecting' items in the game and is hardly useable. All the eve client needs is some sort of interface for these softwares to hook into
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2011-10-24 21:38:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Vertisce Soritenshi
Blah..I completely missed the point.

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Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2011-10-24 21:59:22 UTC
This OP/Idea is utterly insane.

As much as the idea may seem "nice" it would be an utter nightmare with the issues that already persist in this game.

EVE Online is a complicated game as it is...adding an another layer of voice commands in the midst of Voice Communicatinos is just begging for disaster.

If you have trouble understanding this...

Every time you click your mouse button....thats a voice command.

Count the clicks....then you start to get the picture.

Macro's?

Thats not allowed...no chaeting now.

Yep....not a good idea.

Not Supporting.

PS: This excludes Out of Game assistance due to those who require voice commands...but even then...a game like this...wouldn't work very well anyway.

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FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#18 - 2011-10-24 22:06:43 UTC
System name pronunciation alone would wreck this.

"Warp to the Maadirmilire gate at 100 km."

Nifty as it would be for disabled people who have trouble using the mouse for extended periods of time, I can't imagine giving targeting and module use orders. It would be hard enough as a miner, telling it which asteroid you want targetted and making sure your lasers don't double up on the same rock. Now think about what it would be like for a Logi or ECM pilot trying to issue voice commands.

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Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2011-10-24 22:14:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Drake Draconis
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
System name pronunciation alone would wreck this.

"Warp to the Maadirmilire gate at 100 km."

Nifty as it would be for disabled people who have trouble using the mouse for extended periods of time, I can't imagine giving targeting and module use orders. It would be hard enough as a miner, telling it which asteroid you want targetted and making sure your lasers don't double up on the same rock. Now think about what it would be like for a Logi or ECM pilot trying to issue voice commands.



Excellent point...completely missed the most obvious drawback.

Anyone ever try to pronouce half of the system names in this game?

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Leyla Constantine
Doomheim
#20 - 2011-10-25 12:41:18 UTC
Drake Draconis wrote:
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
System name pronunciation alone would wreck this.

"Warp to the Maadirmilire gate at 100 km."

Nifty as it would be for disabled people who have trouble using the mouse for extended periods of time, I can't imagine giving targeting and module use orders. It would be hard enough as a miner, telling it which asteroid you want targetted and making sure your lasers don't double up on the same rock. Now think about what it would be like for a Logi or ECM pilot trying to issue voice commands.



Excellent point...completely missed the most obvious drawback.

Anyone ever try to pronouce half of the system names in this game?



I think it would be easy enough lets say you are in a system with 5 gates the software eaven though you pronounce the name incorrect would recognice which of the 5 gates you mean and if it still can't you could just say "Warp 100km gate 'M' 'A' 'A'" and it would figure out what gate you mean just by the first three letters and warp you there and with regards to astroids you could just say "Mine the closest astroid" or "Lock and mine astroid 20 km to my left"

With regards to logis you could just say something like "Primary task don't let fleet get below 50% shield. Secondary task keep fleet at 100%"

So it would actually make things easier and would let the pilot concentrate about other thing.
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